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Funny, I wonder what sort of beef transport unions have with Tesla specifically. Also, I wonder if it would completely kill their margin to just have a horde o

Funny, I wonder what sort of beef transport unions have with Tesla specifically. Also, I wonder if it would completely kill their margin to just have a horde of workers drive the cars individually to Sweden.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
Their specific issue seems to be elmu's anti-union stance. May be a different union, but that's what solidarity is. So possibly their specific reason is solidarity.
ihaveajob 3y ago
The point of solidarity strikes is that there may not be a specific point. It's simply a way for workers from unrelated industries to show support. Apparently, even trash collectors and mail delivery personnel are skipping Tesla.
toss1 3y ago
IIRC, Tesla is refusing to negotiate with an auto workers union in Sweden for a collective bargaining agreement. The other unions are targeting strikes in solidarity. Yes, it's legal, and standard.
- eddtries 3y ago
  * standard but rare. This really escalated after Tesla brought in strikebreakers and threatened the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    > the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government That's not exactly true. It's a partnership between the government, the unions, and the employers with the government usually taking the role of mediator. "The Swedish model & collective agreements – a brief introduction The Swedish labour market model in a nutshell In the Swedish labour market model, the social partners (trade unions and employers’ organisations) are responsible for wage formation. The social partners also have a key role in establishing other employment conditions in the labour market. The legislation constitutes a framework that supports this model, for instance, through provisions on association and negotiation rights and the right to take industrial action. The social partners have significant autonomy to regulate the precise conditions through collective agreements. Many statutory regulations can be replaced with collective agreements. There is no legislation on minimum wages or universal application of agreements. Another key feature of the Swedish model is that disputes are resolved in the first instance through negotiation. A prerequisite for the model is that collective agreements cover most of the employees on the labour market" https://www.mi.se/app/uploads/the-swedish-model-and-collective-agreements.pdf https://www.mi.se/app/uploads/the-swedish-model-and-collecti... https://www.mi.se/english/about-us/ https://www.mi.se/english/about-us/
    - eddtries 3y ago
      I still feel that text makes it clear the actual working conditions & rights etc are built up by the unions and not the governments? Fwiw I live in Sweden and am a member of its largest Union
      - kwhitefoot 3y ago
        It wouldn't be possible for unions to do it without the supporting framework provide by legislation.
        3836293648 3y ago
        That's just plain wrong. The model was created to avoid legislation and existed before any later legislation was written around it
mint2 3y ago
Because if Tesla prevails in not having a collective bargaining agreement, then it opens the door to all companies doing the same thing and potentially destroys all unions as they are now.
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- cinntaile 3y ago
  Precisely. This is an existential battle for them so they cannot back off.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

Their specific issue seems to be elmu's anti-union stance. May be a different union, but that's what solidarity is. So possibly their specific reason is solidarity.

ihaveajob 3y ago

The point of solidarity strikes is that there may not be a specific point. It's simply a way for workers from unrelated industries to show support. Apparently, even trash collectors and mail delivery personnel are skipping Tesla.

toss1 3y ago

IIRC, Tesla is refusing to negotiate with an auto workers union in Sweden for a collective bargaining agreement. The other unions are targeting strikes in solidarity. Yes, it's legal, and standard.

eddtries 3y ago
* standard but rare. This really escalated after Tesla brought in strikebreakers and threatened the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  > the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government That's not exactly true. It's a partnership between the government, the unions, and the employers with the government usually taking the role of mediator. "The Swedish model & collective agreements – a brief introduction The Swedish labour market model in a nutshell In the Swedish labour market model, the social partners (trade unions and employers’ organisations) are responsible for wage formation. The social partners also have a key role in establishing other employment conditions in the labour market. The legislation constitutes a framework that supports this model, for instance, through provisions on association and negotiation rights and the right to take industrial action. The social partners have significant autonomy to regulate the precise conditions through collective agreements. Many statutory regulations can be replaced with collective agreements. There is no legislation on minimum wages or universal application of agreements. Another key feature of the Swedish model is that disputes are resolved in the first instance through negotiation. A prerequisite for the model is that collective agreements cover most of the employees on the labour market" https://www.mi.se/app/uploads/the-swedish-model-and-collective-agreements.pdf https://www.mi.se/app/uploads/the-swedish-model-and-collecti... https://www.mi.se/english/about-us/ https://www.mi.se/english/about-us/
  - eddtries 3y ago
    I still feel that text makes it clear the actual working conditions & rights etc are built up by the unions and not the governments? Fwiw I live in Sweden and am a member of its largest Union
    - kwhitefoot 3y ago
      It wouldn't be possible for unions to do it without the supporting framework provide by legislation.
      - 3836293648 3y ago
        That's just plain wrong. The model was created to avoid legislation and existed before any later legislation was written around it

mint2 3y ago

Because if Tesla prevails in not having a collective bargaining agreement, then it opens the door to all companies doing the same thing and potentially destroys all unions as they are now.

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cinntaile 3y ago
Precisely. This is an existential battle for them so they cannot back off.