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His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. What does any of that have to do with building the best products?

by jebarker 3y ago

andsoitis 3y ago
> His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. Then why piss off advertisers?
- jebarker 3y ago
  Because that grows his popularity with other groups. Same tactics Trump uses.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. Then he got mad at advertisers for, as he thought, trying to rein him in. If you want proof that Elon isn't too concerned about making good products, try using Twitter/X without being logged in. The experience is significantly worse than before the takeover.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. If you cared to watch the the interview I linked to above with Andrew Ross Sorkin at the NYT Dealbook summmit, you will hear three things: a) remorse for the dumb thing he said (he says it is probably the worst mistake he has made) b) when you say a lot, you're abound to say foolish things and that he has c) he actually re-explained his clarification of the logic that was widely labeled as antisemitic but that people have chosen to ignore it. If you think this is a cop out, look at (a) again, where he expresses remorse for having said what he said in the way he said it. > Then he got mad at advertisers for, as he thought, trying to rein him in. Yes, when people try to limit what you say (beyond the law) then it is natural to be upset about it. > If you want proof that Elon isn't too concerned about making good products, try using Twitter/X without being logged in. The experience is significantly worse than before the takeover. Let's talk in 3 years. Meanwhile, I'll point you to Tesla (Model Y is the best-selling car of any kind across the world), SpaceX, and Starlink. I don't know about you, but I would classify these as best in class.
    - archagon 3y ago
      Beyond what law?
      - andsoitis 3y ago
        > Beyond what law? X operates worldwide and even though Elon Musk is a staunch believer in free speech, X also has to follow laws of different jurisdictions, including limitations on speech.
        kreeben 3y ago
        >> Elon Musk is a staunch believer in free speech That's just, like, your opinion, man. And I don't believe it.
        mdhb 3y ago
        Agreed, what a deranged position to take despite the huge evidence to the contrary. It’s a very specific and weird personality type that’s constantly drawn to white knighting racists and billionaires.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      > b) when you say a lot, you're abound to say foolish things and that he has "Foolish things" sure, but this is a little too forgiving. If I talk enough, I'm bound to call someone the N word at some point, for example?
    - AlexandrB 3y ago
      > a) remorse for the dumb thing he said (he says it is probably the worst mistake he has made) This is the same interview where he told the advertisers he needs for revenue to go fuck themselves. I don't think the remorse is genuine. > Yes, when people try to limit what you say (beyond the law) then it is natural to be upset about it. I also feel that Disney is limiting what I say by not giving me millions in ad revenue. That's just the reality I have to live with though. Most people have all kinds of practical limitations on what they can say. I can't tell my boss to go fuck himself and still put food on the table. Joe Biden can't tell the American public to go fuck themselves and still get elected. I'm not sure why Elon feels entitled to be uniquely free from consequences for his utterances.
- suoduandao3 3y ago
  because advertisers make X worse?
brightball 3y ago
How does his behavior on X contradict it? I'm not following.
- jebarker 3y ago
  Continually posting on social media about topics unrelated to building cars, rockets, satellites is all about influencing public perception of yourself. So clearly he does care what people think of him and actively spends time managing that.
  - Robotbeat 3y ago
    You’re giving him way too much credit, there. He posts on Twitter because he’s addicted to it &can’t really stop himself. It’s not a grand strategy of PR.
  - notmyrealname_9 3y ago
    I'm regularly posting on the media simply to check, if I'm wrong about something - and, more importantly, if so, why. It's not necessarily trolling, when someone posts an opinion, that is "out there". In that sense, I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt there, but I don't understand why he has to do it with his real name.
  - brightball 3y ago
    But he bought X so he's also going to post about it which runs the gamut on topics around the entire world.

His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. What does any of that have to do with building the best products?

andsoitis 3y ago

> His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. Then why piss off advertisers?

jebarker 3y ago
Because that grows his popularity with other groups. Same tactics Trump uses.
AlexandrB 3y ago
You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. Then he got mad at advertisers for, as he thought, trying to rein him in. If you want proof that Elon isn't too concerned about making good products, try using Twitter/X without being logged in. The experience is significantly worse than before the takeover.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. If you cared to watch the the interview I linked to above with Andrew Ross Sorkin at the NYT Dealbook summmit, you will hear three things: a) remorse for the dumb thing he said (he says it is probably the worst mistake he has made) b) when you say a lot, you're abound to say foolish things and that he has c) he actually re-explained his clarification of the logic that was widely labeled as antisemitic but that people have chosen to ignore it. If you think this is a cop out, look at (a) again, where he expresses remorse for having said what he said in the way he said it. > Then he got mad at advertisers for, as he thought, trying to rein him in. Yes, when people try to limit what you say (beyond the law) then it is natural to be upset about it. > If you want proof that Elon isn't too concerned about making good products, try using Twitter/X without being logged in. The experience is significantly worse than before the takeover. Let's talk in 3 years. Meanwhile, I'll point you to Tesla (Model Y is the best-selling car of any kind across the world), SpaceX, and Starlink. I don't know about you, but I would classify these as best in class.
  - archagon 3y ago
    Beyond what law?
    - andsoitis 3y ago
      > Beyond what law? X operates worldwide and even though Elon Musk is a staunch believer in free speech, X also has to follow laws of different jurisdictions, including limitations on speech.
      - kreeben 3y ago
        >> Elon Musk is a staunch believer in free speech That's just, like, your opinion, man. And I don't believe it.
        mdhb 3y ago
        Agreed, what a deranged position to take despite the huge evidence to the contrary. It’s a very specific and weird personality type that’s constantly drawn to white knighting racists and billionaires.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    > b) when you say a lot, you're abound to say foolish things and that he has "Foolish things" sure, but this is a little too forgiving. If I talk enough, I'm bound to call someone the N word at some point, for example?
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    > a) remorse for the dumb thing he said (he says it is probably the worst mistake he has made) This is the same interview where he told the advertisers he needs for revenue to go fuck themselves. I don't think the remorse is genuine. > Yes, when people try to limit what you say (beyond the law) then it is natural to be upset about it. I also feel that Disney is limiting what I say by not giving me millions in ad revenue. That's just the reality I have to live with though. Most people have all kinds of practical limitations on what they can say. I can't tell my boss to go fuck himself and still put food on the table. Joe Biden can't tell the American public to go fuck themselves and still get elected. I'm not sure why Elon feels entitled to be uniquely free from consequences for his utterances.
suoduandao3 3y ago
because advertisers make X worse?

brightball 3y ago

How does his behavior on X contradict it? I'm not following.

jebarker 3y ago
Continually posting on social media about topics unrelated to building cars, rockets, satellites is all about influencing public perception of yourself. So clearly he does care what people think of him and actively spends time managing that.
- Robotbeat 3y ago
  You’re giving him way too much credit, there. He posts on Twitter because he’s addicted to it &can’t really stop himself. It’s not a grand strategy of PR.
- notmyrealname_9 3y ago
  I'm regularly posting on the media simply to check, if I'm wrong about something - and, more importantly, if so, why. It's not necessarily trolling, when someone posts an opinion, that is "out there". In that sense, I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt there, but I don't understand why he has to do it with his real name.
- brightball 3y ago
  But he bought X so he's also going to post about it which runs the gamut on topics around the entire world.