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At the Cybertruck launch event, Musk suggested that it’s designed to destroy the other vehicle in a crash situation. A car like that probably would have a hard

by pavlov 3y ago

At the Cybertruck launch event, Musk suggested that it’s designed to destroy the other vehicle in a crash situation. A car like that probably would have a hard time getting certified in Europe.

loceng 3y ago
Did he say designed to destroy or would destroy the other vehicle? Saying designed to destroy denotes intent.
- josefresco 3y ago
  Source: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-tesla-cybertruck-finally-goes-on-sale-starting-at-60990/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-tesla-cybertruck-fi... According to the article he "implied". Another source and direct quote: "If you’re ever in an argument with another car, you will win,” Musk told his fans at the delivery event in its Texas factory in Austin. “Here at Tesla we have the finest in apocalypse technology." *https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-delivery-event-prices-specs/ https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-de...
  - nolongerthere 3y ago
    yea, unfortunately ars doesn't have the best track record with musk related news
    - josefresco 3y ago
      Ok, maybe a direct quote from another source will suffice? “If you’re ever in an argument with another car, you will win,” Musk told his fans at the delivery event in its Texas factory in Austin. “Here at Tesla we have the finest in apocalypse technology.” *https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-delivery-event-prices-specs/ https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-de...
  - redserk 3y ago
    It is worth calling out that Jonathan Gitlin has a history of regularly injecting editorial bias against Tesla/Musk in his reporting and might not be neutral.
- littlethoughts 3y ago
  He said that it's expressly designed to turn minivans into scrap metal and hamburger meat on the turnpike, then laughed maniacally.
  - loceng 3y ago
    Do you have the video source link for that? Thanks
  - renegade-otter 3y ago
    I mean, that's all you need to know about this guy's maturity level.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - furyofantares 3y ago
    Sarcasm often doesn't do well here (for good reason, there's a signal:noise expectation) but it's still surprising that sibling comments are taking this seriously.
  - peteradio 3y ago
    You are taking it out of context. Following that he said Eff the police 420 blaze it and took a bite out of a baby.
    - me_me_me 3y ago
      is this a joke or not. Hard to say when discussing musk
oxfordmale 3y ago
This higher mass would mean that any collision with a lighter vehicle could be very serious. European regulators would just need one look at the cars specs, and would dismiss it outright.
james_pm 3y ago
Makes me wonder if NHTSA tests not only the performance of a vehicle in terms of protecting its occupants, but also the performance of the vehicle in terms of what it does to any other vehicles it might come into contact with. I assume they do some testing for vehicle vs. pedestrian or vehicle vs. cyclist, but would they run a Cybertruck into a Toyota Camry to see how the outcome compares for both vehicles compared to running an F-150 into the same Camry?
- panick21_ 3y ago
  > I assume they do some testing for vehicle vs. pedestrian No they don't. I don't think testing against other cars exists either.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
It is not important for it to make it to Europe. It is for American's who want to play cowboy. Europe pickup TAM is tiny. https://web.archive.org/web/20231203153448/https://i.ibb.co/G5pcjWN/percent-of-world-gasoline-consumption-by-country-2021-2022.png https://web.archive.org/web/20231203153448/https://i.ibb.co/... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38491312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38491312 (f150 sales citations) https://www.autonews.com/sales/pickups-europeans-say-thanks-no-thanks https://www.autonews.com/sales/pickups-europeans-say-thanks-...
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  *)Rich Americans
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Everyone can be rich with easy credit and the repo/used car cycle. Americans overextend themselves for $50k-$100k pickups just fine. You can dislike the reality, but don't operate for how you wish the world was, operate for how it is today.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      You mean everyone can pretend to be rich.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        They can. Does it matter? Works until it doesn't. Don't be holding the bag when the music stops and it isn't your problem. Manage credit risk my good friend! The topic of appearance of wealth and actual wealth is for another thread. So my position is clear, I want a better world, but am also pragmatic about the fish bowl I live in current state. If Americans, who are responsible for 35% of global gasoline consumption, want to buy trucks, sell them EVs. I cannot tell them not to buy trucks. I cannot make trucks smaller. I cannot build pedestrian friendly urban cores in any reasonable timeframe. I cannot tell them to be financially responsible. Free will and all that. Don't complain about levers that don't exist or that you can't pull, pull hard on levers you can. "Look at that Cybertruck. Wouldn't you look cool in that?" https://martecgroup.com/emotional-car-buying-journey/ https://martecgroup.com/emotional-car-buying-journey/ (i know, everything is terrible, welcome to the shit show; first time?)
fsh 3y ago
Due to the apparent lack of crumple zones, it will probably also destroy its passengers on impact.
- fabian2k 3y ago
  I'm really curious how the results of crash tests will turn out here. Crumple zones are a really important safety feature, and I can't imagine the Cybertruck will fare well without them.
  - me_me_me 3y ago
    people dont realize that crumpled/bended material absorbs crash energy. Its a good thing as that energy is not transferred into a passengers, well apparently musk is one of those people
- yurishimo 3y ago
  That’s not how crash tests work. To be able to get the vehicle certified, they drive the car into concrete barriers at a variety of angles and evaluate dummies for injuries. If the injuries are too severe, then the car will fail. In addition, there must be mitigations in place for what happens to wheels/engines in a crash scenario. If the engine immediately gets flung out of the engine bay, it will fail. Yes, I understand this is an electric vehicle. In reality, modern cars are extremely safe (as much as a 2 ton hunk of metal can be). Now, this calculation may be different for other vehicles involved in an accident with a cybertruck, but in reality, a concrete barrier is much harder than even this ugly slab of steel. The other cars are also engineered to absorb the same impacts. Arguably the most vulnerable party in a cybertruck accident is a civilian located outside of a vehicle.
  - fabian2k 3y ago
    So where are the test results for the Cybertruck? Most modern cars are built in somewhat similar ways, Cybertruck is a huge outlier in construction. So I think it is very reasonable to ask whether that affects the safety of the vehicle.
nativeit 3y ago
Which, a car whose specs were written in crayon and largely made up?
jillesvangurp 3y ago
In general, the market for trucks in Europe is pretty much non existent. Just not a thing here. Blue collar workers use normal cars and vans here with a cheap trailer if they need to move lots of stuff/garbage/sand etc. Anything with a high fuel consumption is a non starter for commercial usage given the fuel cost. Besides, big vehicles just aren't very practical on narrow roads, in dense cities, etc. Getting this thing approved for safety reasons might also be a challenge. I'd say a lot of people don't really want these things anywhere near pedestrians, children, or cyclists; all of which are very common in European traffic.
- piva00 3y ago
  There's a market, it's tiny compared to the USA but I've seen bigger trucks like the Dodge RAM, Ford F-250, and similar peppered around Stockholm's area more affluent neighbourhoods/municipalities. When I lived in Huddinge (a higher income municipality with lots of villas/detached houses) it seemed like 1 every 5 houses had at least one of those trucks parked in their garage, some had 2 or more. Same around the Danderyd area... I've noticed the uptick in larger trucks, and bigger SUVs around the streets here for the past 4-5 years. I really hope this trend doesn't continue, it sucks.
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    It will continue unless we legislate against it. There are many things that can be done.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - theshrike79 3y ago
      As long as we don't incentivise them like they (accidentally?) did in the US by having large enough vehicles be exempt from most environmental regulations...
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    Yeah, we have those in Finland too. They're all for pavement princesses. They're always immaculately detailed, not a scratch, dent or dirt stain on them. If people need a "truck" for actual work, they'll get a Toyota Hilux. And even those tend to have a hard shell over the bed essentially making it a van with huge ground clearance.
vwkd 3y ago
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by pavlov 3y ago

At the Cybertruck launch event, Musk suggested that it’s designed to destroy the other vehicle in a crash situation. A car like that probably would have a hard time getting certified in Europe.

loceng 3y ago

Did he say designed to destroy or would destroy the other vehicle? Saying designed to destroy denotes intent.

josefresco 3y ago
Source: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-tesla-cybertruck-finally-goes-on-sale-starting-at-60990/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-tesla-cybertruck-fi... According to the article he "implied". Another source and direct quote: "If you’re ever in an argument with another car, you will win,” Musk told his fans at the delivery event in its Texas factory in Austin. “Here at Tesla we have the finest in apocalypse technology." *https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-delivery-event-prices-specs/ https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-de...
- nolongerthere 3y ago
  yea, unfortunately ars doesn't have the best track record with musk related news
  - josefresco 3y ago
    Ok, maybe a direct quote from another source will suffice? “If you’re ever in an argument with another car, you will win,” Musk told his fans at the delivery event in its Texas factory in Austin. “Here at Tesla we have the finest in apocalypse technology.” *https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-delivery-event-prices-specs/ https://fortune.com/2023/12/01/cybertruck-elon-musk-tesla-de...
- redserk 3y ago
  It is worth calling out that Jonathan Gitlin has a history of regularly injecting editorial bias against Tesla/Musk in his reporting and might not be neutral.
littlethoughts 3y ago
He said that it's expressly designed to turn minivans into scrap metal and hamburger meat on the turnpike, then laughed maniacally.
- loceng 3y ago
  Do you have the video source link for that? Thanks
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  I mean, that's all you need to know about this guy's maturity level.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- furyofantares 3y ago
  Sarcasm often doesn't do well here (for good reason, there's a signal:noise expectation) but it's still surprising that sibling comments are taking this seriously.
- peteradio 3y ago
  You are taking it out of context. Following that he said Eff the police 420 blaze it and took a bite out of a baby.
  - me_me_me 3y ago
    is this a joke or not. Hard to say when discussing musk

oxfordmale 3y ago

This higher mass would mean that any collision with a lighter vehicle could be very serious. European regulators would just need one look at the cars specs, and would dismiss it outright.

james_pm 3y ago

Makes me wonder if NHTSA tests not only the performance of a vehicle in terms of protecting its occupants, but also the performance of the vehicle in terms of what it does to any other vehicles it might come into contact with. I assume they do some testing for vehicle vs. pedestrian or vehicle vs. cyclist, but would they run a Cybertruck into a Toyota Camry to see how the outcome compares for both vehicles compared to running an F-150 into the same Camry?

panick21_ 3y ago
> I assume they do some testing for vehicle vs. pedestrian No they don't. I don't think testing against other cars exists either.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

It is not important for it to make it to Europe. It is for American's who want to play cowboy. Europe pickup TAM is tiny. https://web.archive.org/web/20231203153448/https://i.ibb.co/G5pcjWN/percent-of-world-gasoline-consumption-by-country-2021-2022.png https://web.archive.org/web/20231203153448/https://i.ibb.co/... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38491312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38491312 (f150 sales citations) https://www.autonews.com/sales/pickups-europeans-say-thanks-no-thanks https://www.autonews.com/sales/pickups-europeans-say-thanks-...

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
*)Rich Americans
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Everyone can be rich with easy credit and the repo/used car cycle. Americans overextend themselves for $50k-$100k pickups just fine. You can dislike the reality, but don't operate for how you wish the world was, operate for how it is today.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    You mean everyone can pretend to be rich.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      They can. Does it matter? Works until it doesn't. Don't be holding the bag when the music stops and it isn't your problem. Manage credit risk my good friend! The topic of appearance of wealth and actual wealth is for another thread. So my position is clear, I want a better world, but am also pragmatic about the fish bowl I live in current state. If Americans, who are responsible for 35% of global gasoline consumption, want to buy trucks, sell them EVs. I cannot tell them not to buy trucks. I cannot make trucks smaller. I cannot build pedestrian friendly urban cores in any reasonable timeframe. I cannot tell them to be financially responsible. Free will and all that. Don't complain about levers that don't exist or that you can't pull, pull hard on levers you can. "Look at that Cybertruck. Wouldn't you look cool in that?" https://martecgroup.com/emotional-car-buying-journey/ https://martecgroup.com/emotional-car-buying-journey/ (i know, everything is terrible, welcome to the shit show; first time?)

fsh 3y ago

Due to the apparent lack of crumple zones, it will probably also destroy its passengers on impact.

fabian2k 3y ago
I'm really curious how the results of crash tests will turn out here. Crumple zones are a really important safety feature, and I can't imagine the Cybertruck will fare well without them.
- me_me_me 3y ago
  people dont realize that crumpled/bended material absorbs crash energy. Its a good thing as that energy is not transferred into a passengers, well apparently musk is one of those people
yurishimo 3y ago
That’s not how crash tests work. To be able to get the vehicle certified, they drive the car into concrete barriers at a variety of angles and evaluate dummies for injuries. If the injuries are too severe, then the car will fail. In addition, there must be mitigations in place for what happens to wheels/engines in a crash scenario. If the engine immediately gets flung out of the engine bay, it will fail. Yes, I understand this is an electric vehicle. In reality, modern cars are extremely safe (as much as a 2 ton hunk of metal can be). Now, this calculation may be different for other vehicles involved in an accident with a cybertruck, but in reality, a concrete barrier is much harder than even this ugly slab of steel. The other cars are also engineered to absorb the same impacts. Arguably the most vulnerable party in a cybertruck accident is a civilian located outside of a vehicle.
- fabian2k 3y ago
  So where are the test results for the Cybertruck? Most modern cars are built in somewhat similar ways, Cybertruck is a huge outlier in construction. So I think it is very reasonable to ask whether that affects the safety of the vehicle.

nativeit 3y ago

Which, a car whose specs were written in crayon and largely made up?

jillesvangurp 3y ago

In general, the market for trucks in Europe is pretty much non existent. Just not a thing here. Blue collar workers use normal cars and vans here with a cheap trailer if they need to move lots of stuff/garbage/sand etc. Anything with a high fuel consumption is a non starter for commercial usage given the fuel cost. Besides, big vehicles just aren't very practical on narrow roads, in dense cities, etc. Getting this thing approved for safety reasons might also be a challenge. I'd say a lot of people don't really want these things anywhere near pedestrians, children, or cyclists; all of which are very common in European traffic.

piva00 3y ago
There's a market, it's tiny compared to the USA but I've seen bigger trucks like the Dodge RAM, Ford F-250, and similar peppered around Stockholm's area more affluent neighbourhoods/municipalities. When I lived in Huddinge (a higher income municipality with lots of villas/detached houses) it seemed like 1 every 5 houses had at least one of those trucks parked in their garage, some had 2 or more. Same around the Danderyd area... I've noticed the uptick in larger trucks, and bigger SUVs around the streets here for the past 4-5 years. I really hope this trend doesn't continue, it sucks.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  It will continue unless we legislate against it. There are many things that can be done.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    As long as we don't incentivise them like they (accidentally?) did in the US by having large enough vehicles be exempt from most environmental regulations...
- theshrike79 3y ago
  Yeah, we have those in Finland too. They're all for pavement princesses. They're always immaculately detailed, not a scratch, dent or dirt stain on them. If people need a "truck" for actual work, they'll get a Toyota Hilux. And even those tend to have a hard shell over the bed essentially making it a van with huge ground clearance.

vwkd 3y ago

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