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Hey other states, can you elect a few more Ron Wydens? He's been doing a ton of the heavy lifting lately. Every time we hear about the intelligence community eg
by px43 3y ago
Hey other states, can you elect a few more Ron Wydens? He's been doing a ton of the heavy lifting lately. Every time we hear about the intelligence community egregiously violating civil liberties, it's always Wyden.
- Eumenes 3y agoYeah he's awesome. /s In May 2017, Wyden co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act, Senate Bill 720, which made it a federal crime, punishable by a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment,[88] for Americans to encourage or participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories if protesting actions by the Israeli government. The bill would make it legal for U.S. states to refuse to do business with contractors that engage in boycotts against Israel.[89] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel
- terabytest 3y agoI can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. How is that acceptable and democratic?
- Eumenes 3y agoI am being sarcastic ;) the guy is supposed to be a freedom fighter for privacy/security but is trying to ban boycotts, the most basic form of protest, and integral to US democracy.
- rudasn 3y agoWell, apparently, that's how a good politician works. Just like a good software engineer would have not one, but two backups, at different locations. It's similar to what economists say about not pulling all your eggs in the same basket.
- Nthringas 3y agoclose enough I must add that "good politics" are all about compromise. In my somewhat grim perspective the best outcome of good politics means none of the constitutents are happy and none are desperately angry. politics are all about the completely bland and boring averaging but I come from a land of historically terrible, awful politicians and leaders
- adr1an 3y agoHe's only banning the 'bad' boycotts. Right? /s
- ysavir 3y agoYour previous comment came off very genuine. If clarity of statement is important, it might be worth ensuring your actual intent is made unambiguously clear somewhere in message, if that message is otherwise ironic or sarcastic.
- kamikazeturtles 3y agoIt already in exists in the form of Anti-BDS laws. 35 states already have them
- pcrh 3y ago>Anti-BDS laws These would seem to contravene the First Amendment.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoAnd? The US doesn’t work the way you think it does. It operates illegally and protects its powers over people. As a factual observation. What then
- ethbr1 3y agoIf you require all your allies to be perfect people... ... you won't be left with many allies.
- scarface_74 3y agoI mean wanting to put people in jail for using their first amendment rights is kind of big deal.
- dylan604 3y agoand yet a leading candidate for the highest office is promoting exactly this, and has a large percentage of the population in full support.
- scarface_74 3y agoAs long as you are putting “them” in jail, it doesn’t matter
- thehappypm 3y agoYou can literally use this to excuse any behavior
- karaterobot 3y agoTrue, but you can also refuse to excuse any behavior, nor give even an inch, and then look around after a while and realize you've won the wrong contest. You won the never giving an inch and remaining morally unblemished contest, and lost the making allies and getting anything done contest.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoTrue, which is why it must be balanced with realistic judgements about the people you support and knowing what issues are truly important compared to what the current buzz is telling us is important.
- JustLurking2022 3y agoThat sounds like an attempt to ban political expression that is certainly protected by the First Amendment.
- junofan 3y agoIt’s already pretty much the law. You can submit your complaints to the Office of Anti-Boycott Compliance [1]. Foreign governments can’t force government contractors to comply with boycotts. This bill AFAIK simply closes the loophole of Palestine not technically being a foreign government. [1]: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac
- eli 3y agoThat's not the same thing. This isn't about foreign government demands, it's about US states being legally able to discriminate against contractors who participate in BDS. (Edit: in fact it's about contractors who refuse to sign a pledge that they won't ever participate in BDS)
- calvinmorrison 3y agoWell established ban, since you cannot discriminate anymore or voluntarily associate anymore as a business
- rchaud 3y agoWyden knows such a bill wouldn't pass specifically because of its unconstitutionality. This was about picking up media coverage by throwing red meat at voters. Congress has been in a state of deadlock for too long to pass any actual laws, so this type of performative theater ahead of midterm elections is what passes for statesmanship.
- eli 3y agoThat's awfully generous. He co-sponsored a bad law that he didn't actually want to see passed?
- stjohnswarts 3y agoWell it's pretty unlikely such a law would stand up in any court even small claim's court
- eli 3y agoUh it's already the law in dozens of states. The Arkansas law was challenged, but upheld by the appeals court and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
- vkou 3y agoI'd rather not test this theory, just like I'd rather not test the constitutionality of a law that makes accessing TikTok a felony. ... Also, as sibling commenters pointed out, anti-BDS gag laws are everywhere in this country, and have yet to be struck down.
- eli 3y agoPobody's Nerfect
- micromacrofoot 3y agoThis is a far cry from an "oopsie"
- sircastor 3y agoI'm an Oregonian and my biggest complaint about Ron Wyden is that he's usually ahead of me on technical issues. There are worse problems to have...
- runjake 3y agoI believe he sits on intelligence committees and has a security clearance so he gets briefed on all kinds of outrageous things he can’t publicly talk about. But he does his best with what he can.
- jd3 3y agoProbably thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Soghoian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Soghoian.
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