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It's as much about the Swedish unions not wanting a new precedent set as it is about Tesla not wanting a new precedent set.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Elon simply doesn't believe in unions and wants to operate like a dictatorship (his public personal history has a substantial paper trail on this matter, both with personal and business relationships). It works until enough people say no. Certainly, just as Elon disagrees with the idea of unions, there are likely enough folks who disagree with the idea of Elon. If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_and_unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_and_unions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctgA2qa-rA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctgA2qa-rA
- epolanski 3y ago
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- andsoitis 3y ago
  > If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advertisers to go fuck themselves) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI It is wide ranging and fascinating. In it, he explicitly says that he doesn't do things in order for other people to like him. Instead, he focuses on making the best products (e.g. best cars, best rockets, best satellite).
  - marricks 3y ago
    MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.
    - ethbr1 3y ago
      I'd hazard it's more important to him to be famous, whatever the sentiment, rather than liked.
      - marricks 3y ago
        No, he wouldn’t get into so many mudslinging fights if he just cared about being famous. He desperately wants to be liked and thought of as cool.
        ehvatum 3y ago
        There is a melancholy, defeated aspect to saying someone with such notable imagination and success as Elon is motivated only by insecurity.
        marricks 3y ago
        I think many deeply insecure tech bros relate to him so much because they don't realize they themselves are that same sort of insecure. Also, I never said he was only motivated by it, he is just obviously extremely insecure.
        vkou 3y ago
        I don't know what motivates him, but his outward behaviour is that of an incredibly insecure individual, who is constantly seeking validation, and often throws a tantrum when subject to criticism.
        ClumsyPilot 3y ago
- yetanother12345 3y ago
  > Elon simply doesn't believe ... IMHO the focus here on HN and elsewhere on the antics of this person leads the debate astray somewhat. (Actually on every single activity this man is involved with, not just cars.) I do not find it beneficial. Tesla is a multinational multi-million corporation trying to compete in a market that is undergoing a technological revolution. And, a very American corporation at that (as in not exactly guided by an European value set). Tesla is not one single man. If you want understanding you should consider that. As for the current situation in Scandinavia, this company will have to adapt or go home eventually. Option two is not really an option, so they will adapt. Pressure against them goes only one way from here, up. Same for loss in profits. It started in one country, now they already face trouble in three. "When in Rome..."
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> Tesla not wanting a new precedent set Like respecting local laws and customs? Same people who deride local laws in Europe get really worked up when someone tries it in US.
- bitshiftfaced 3y ago
  What Swedish law did Tesla disrespect?

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Elon simply doesn't believe in unions and wants to operate like a dictatorship (his public personal history has a substantial paper trail on this matter, both with personal and business relationships). It works until enough people say no. Certainly, just as Elon disagrees with the idea of unions, there are likely enough folks who disagree with the idea of Elon. If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_and_unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_and_unions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctgA2qa-rA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctgA2qa-rA

epolanski 3y ago
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andsoitis 3y ago
> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advertisers to go fuck themselves) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI It is wide ranging and fascinating. In it, he explicitly says that he doesn't do things in order for other people to like him. Instead, he focuses on making the best products (e.g. best cars, best rockets, best satellite).
- marricks 3y ago
  MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    I'd hazard it's more important to him to be famous, whatever the sentiment, rather than liked.
    - marricks 3y ago
      No, he wouldn’t get into so many mudslinging fights if he just cared about being famous. He desperately wants to be liked and thought of as cool.
      - ehvatum 3y ago
        There is a melancholy, defeated aspect to saying someone with such notable imagination and success as Elon is motivated only by insecurity.
        marricks 3y ago
        I think many deeply insecure tech bros relate to him so much because they don't realize they themselves are that same sort of insecure. Also, I never said he was only motivated by it, he is just obviously extremely insecure.
        vkou 3y ago
        I don't know what motivates him, but his outward behaviour is that of an incredibly insecure individual, who is constantly seeking validation, and often throws a tantrum when subject to criticism.
        ClumsyPilot 3y ago
yetanother12345 3y ago
> Elon simply doesn't believe ... IMHO the focus here on HN and elsewhere on the antics of this person leads the debate astray somewhat. (Actually on every single activity this man is involved with, not just cars.) I do not find it beneficial. Tesla is a multinational multi-million corporation trying to compete in a market that is undergoing a technological revolution. And, a very American corporation at that (as in not exactly guided by an European value set). Tesla is not one single man. If you want understanding you should consider that. As for the current situation in Scandinavia, this company will have to adapt or go home eventually. Option two is not really an option, so they will adapt. Pressure against them goes only one way from here, up. Same for loss in profits. It started in one country, now they already face trouble in three. "When in Rome..."

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

> Tesla not wanting a new precedent set Like respecting local laws and customs? Same people who deride local laws in Europe get really worked up when someone tries it in US.

bitshiftfaced 3y ago
What Swedish law did Tesla disrespect?