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And if a stranger asks you "have you ever consumed any drugs" you also just cannot help it and make a list of any and all abuse you might have participated in a

And if a stranger asks you "have you ever consumed any drugs" you also just cannot help it and make a list of any and all abuse you might have participated in at the other end of the world? Is reality really that hard for some people? I geniunely don't understand how navigating society can be so difficult?

asylteltine 3y ago
Some people are so used to their western privilege they can’t fathom the idea of a culture not accepting things like being gay. It’s really not hard
- pierat 3y ago
  Privilege? No, most African and Middle Eastern governments just have shitty governments based on an even worse religion. At least Western governments have the idea of Universal Human Rights ( https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... ) And being 'accepted' or not is wholly different than 'executed' or 'jailed for life'. And for me, it's simple: don't go to most of Africa or anywhere in the Middle East. They're shitholes not worthy of my money or my presence.
  - ttyprintk 3y ago
    You’re both right, because the definition of white privilege does include “White people become more likely to move through the world with an expectation that their needs be readily met.”
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    - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
      I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if an organization grants you cash money, then their expectations should be met.
  - asylteltine 3y ago
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    - bmicraft 3y ago
      > and they are lawless And that's where you crossed over into being racist
      - pierat 3y ago
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  - ks2048 3y ago
    Your choice, your loss.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    Far for me to defend the policies of most countries in Africa, but... you do realize a lot of Africa in aggregate is closer to christian ethnonationalism of the US far right than radical islam, and that these policies exist regardless of majority religion, right?
- wyldfire 3y ago
  Fathoming it is how we got here. That's the easy part. But the hard part is the tension between supporting people in developing nations while not endorsing their policies. Here in the US there are states that, sadly, aren't that supportive of human rights. And rather than handwring over "should we hold an event there?" they just never consider those places. Because there's no such tension.
  - ttyprintk 3y ago
    Well, Utah made great strides between 2016 and 2021, and maybe by holding PyCon there, it rehabilitated their reputation a little.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  I assure you that virtually no one, least of all LGBTQIA+ activists, has trouble fathoming the idea of a culture not accepting deviation from cisheteronormative standards. Even in most western countries, tolerance for that is weak now, and was absent in living memory.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
    In US alone, all the current acceptance is a relatively recent phenomenon. Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though. They did the marches and stuff, but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on. BLM and other groups should consider taking a page, because any resistance they experience now is the part they need most.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though. You... probably should refresh your memory of the centrality and significance of militant activism, particularly in the context of the AIDS crisis by groups like ACT-UP, in the gay rights movement then. > but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on. No, much hard work had to be done to acheive the level of influence in powerful institution to do “cultural insertion using movies and so on”.
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FireBeyond 3y ago
Do you know how visa questionnaires ask things like "Have you ever attempted or been a part of a movement to otherthrow a government?" etc.? And how people would say "How stupid is this? You just lie. What's so hard?" The point with many of these questions is so that they can detain you on suspicion of being dishonest on your visa questionnaire, and then investigate more thoroughly. You also have (if a non-citizen) extremely few, if any rights at points of entry. A lot of laws around searching of persons and devices are if not void, substantially loosened. So you may lie. You should probably also hope that somewhere in your photos there's not a picture of a magic mushroom you saw last year while walking your dog...

asylteltine 3y ago

Some people are so used to their western privilege they can’t fathom the idea of a culture not accepting things like being gay. It’s really not hard

pierat 3y ago
Privilege? No, most African and Middle Eastern governments just have shitty governments based on an even worse religion. At least Western governments have the idea of Universal Human Rights ( https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... ) And being 'accepted' or not is wholly different than 'executed' or 'jailed for life'. And for me, it's simple: don't go to most of Africa or anywhere in the Middle East. They're shitholes not worthy of my money or my presence.
- ttyprintk 3y ago
  You’re both right, because the definition of white privilege does include “White people become more likely to move through the world with an expectation that their needs be readily met.”
  - pierat 3y ago
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  - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
    I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if an organization grants you cash money, then their expectations should be met.
- asylteltine 3y ago
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  - bmicraft 3y ago
    > and they are lawless And that's where you crossed over into being racist
    - pierat 3y ago
      [flagged]
- ks2048 3y ago
  Your choice, your loss.
- _cenw 3y ago
  Far for me to defend the policies of most countries in Africa, but... you do realize a lot of Africa in aggregate is closer to christian ethnonationalism of the US far right than radical islam, and that these policies exist regardless of majority religion, right?
wyldfire 3y ago
Fathoming it is how we got here. That's the easy part. But the hard part is the tension between supporting people in developing nations while not endorsing their policies. Here in the US there are states that, sadly, aren't that supportive of human rights. And rather than handwring over "should we hold an event there?" they just never consider those places. Because there's no such tension.
- ttyprintk 3y ago
  Well, Utah made great strides between 2016 and 2021, and maybe by holding PyCon there, it rehabilitated their reputation a little.
dragonwriter 3y ago
I assure you that virtually no one, least of all LGBTQIA+ activists, has trouble fathoming the idea of a culture not accepting deviation from cisheteronormative standards. Even in most western countries, tolerance for that is weak now, and was absent in living memory.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  In US alone, all the current acceptance is a relatively recent phenomenon. Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though. They did the marches and stuff, but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on. BLM and other groups should consider taking a page, because any resistance they experience now is the part they need most.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though. You... probably should refresh your memory of the centrality and significance of militant activism, particularly in the context of the AIDS crisis by groups like ACT-UP, in the gay rights movement then. > but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on. No, much hard work had to be done to acheive the level of influence in powerful institution to do “cultural insertion using movies and so on”.

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FireBeyond 3y ago

Do you know how visa questionnaires ask things like "Have you ever attempted or been a part of a movement to otherthrow a government?" etc.? And how people would say "How stupid is this? You just lie. What's so hard?" The point with many of these questions is so that they can detain you on suspicion of being dishonest on your visa questionnaire, and then investigate more thoroughly. You also have (if a non-citizen) extremely few, if any rights at points of entry. A lot of laws around searching of persons and devices are if not void, substantially loosened. So you may lie. You should probably also hope that somewhere in your photos there's not a picture of a magic mushroom you saw last year while walking your dog...