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Looking at the map of the "LGBT rights by country or territory"[0] it is also not clear to me where people would suggest that the conferences be held. Zanzibar

Looking at the map of the "LGBT rights by country or territory"[0] it is also not clear to me where people would suggest that the conferences be held. Zanzibar seems like one of the few places that would work, along with Botswana, and a few others. Some of the other countries that might work have completely different safety issue, regardless of your sexual orientation. I think realistically, someone has the well meant opinion that these conferences should only be held in places where everyone can feel completely safe, and then just completely ignores reality. The unfortunate result is an effectual ban on any meetings in places like Africa or the Middle East, which is equally unreasonable and excluding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_terr...

IAmLiterallyAB 3y ago
Based on that map, South Africa would seem to be the best choice
- doix 3y ago
  South Africa is great except they have rolling blackouts(load shedding) and can be somewhat unsafe. Don't get me wrong, I was there for 3 months and didn't experience any problems, except one time when I was parking at an almost empty beach and my car didn't lock when I pushed the button on the remote. But I could definitely see a bunch of less savvy folks coming in with a bunch of apple goods, flashing them openly in the wrong place and something bad happening. The rolling blackouts would also probably be pretty annoying though.
- nomdep 3y ago
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nomdep 3y ago
I don't think is unreasonable at all. Anyone can do a conference wherever, the PSF just don't want to sponsor conferences in places under those conditions
- colpabar 3y ago
  But this is exactly like sanctioning a country ruled by an oppressive regime because the regime is oppressive. You're just punishing the people who are already oppressed!
  - nomdep 3y ago
    There are two positions the PSF can take: 1. Python evangelism is about the tech and is not an endorsement of whoever organize conferences, even if is in nazi Germany. 2. Giving money to a conference IS an endorsement of whoever organize it, so it must comply with the morals of the PSF board and biggest backers. In hindsight, (1) seems more fair, but because the PSF is about politics and not tech, is not surprising they will always choose (2).

IAmLiterallyAB 3y ago

Based on that map, South Africa would seem to be the best choice

doix 3y ago
South Africa is great except they have rolling blackouts(load shedding) and can be somewhat unsafe. Don't get me wrong, I was there for 3 months and didn't experience any problems, except one time when I was parking at an almost empty beach and my car didn't lock when I pushed the button on the remote. But I could definitely see a bunch of less savvy folks coming in with a bunch of apple goods, flashing them openly in the wrong place and something bad happening. The rolling blackouts would also probably be pretty annoying though.
nomdep 3y ago
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nomdep 3y ago

I don't think is unreasonable at all. Anyone can do a conference wherever, the PSF just don't want to sponsor conferences in places under those conditions

colpabar 3y ago
But this is exactly like sanctioning a country ruled by an oppressive regime because the regime is oppressive. You're just punishing the people who are already oppressed!
- nomdep 3y ago
  There are two positions the PSF can take: 1. Python evangelism is about the tech and is not an endorsement of whoever organize conferences, even if is in nazi Germany. 2. Giving money to a conference IS an endorsement of whoever organize it, so it must comply with the morals of the PSF board and biggest backers. In hindsight, (1) seems more fair, but because the PSF is about politics and not tech, is not surprising they will always choose (2).