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Also, the other part of this that's fishy is why can't the test results be reported to the patient? Your reasoning makes sense for over testing. But does it mak

Also, the other part of this that's fishy is why can't the test results be reported to the patient? Your reasoning makes sense for over testing. But does it make sense to censor a doctor prescribed test from the patient? No it doesn't. The law is made to make the doctor central to treatment. The patient must schedule another appointment and must go through the doctor in order to treat himself. There's too much business incentive here. You label me as toxic but there's a reason why patients in the US have such a vicious attitude toward docs.

rscho 3y ago
Many people feel the way you do, and it's understandable. Those laws vary from country to country, but variations of the same are found throughout western countries. It's in part a remain of the paternalistic medicine of olden times, where docs were supposed to decide for patients. But the main goal today is to avoid patients learning about life-changing news (AIDS, cancer, etc.) without being supported emotionally and informed about what results imply, to avoid rash or violent reactions (suicide) due to misunderstandings. I personally experienced grave misunderstandings over news that seemed trivial to me, but that the patient took as extremely aggravating. Of course this rule is very profitable as well for private care providers (which I am not, BTW). At this point, whether or not the rule is justified becomes a political issue, and I don't think there's a solution that would satisfy everybody.
- corethree 3y ago
  Well how about letting the patient choose how its reported. And even letting the patient be aware that the results might be life threatening. This will satisfy everybody. Most tests aren't for things like testing for HIV. So your reasoning makes zero sense as this law is applied to every test. And the whole suicide thing is obviously a miniscule issue. You're just making that crap up to sow controversy. Yeah I'm sure you encountered dozens of patients ready to kill themselves over test results but only your kind words were able to completely assuage them and stop them... Yeah sounds like a load of bullshit to me. There's no controversy here. It's a business incentive through and through. Patient choice would satisfy all patients. Only doctors wouldn't be satisfied. And that's the problem. Patients are dealing with there lives here. And Even you as a third party are painting the situation as "controversy" because you've been so desensitized by the patients you're supposed to take care of. Even though you're not in private care you are part of the problem because you're blind to the problem. I know multiple patients who had surgery in America only to go to another country for a check up for the doctor in the other country to say the surgery was completely pointless. You know how serious that is? I don't think you get it. Painting a crime as "controversial" or "political" issue is extremely aggravating for the person who's life is at stake. The only reason you characterize it this way is because you're not the one who's life is at stake. Patients aren't toxic. Patients are desperate. And most doctors including you just don't give enough of a shit. I'm sorry but that's the truth.
  - rscho 3y ago
    For the record, I'm not in favor of such rules. Yes, you're really toxic, and display the typical US reaction. I'm fucking relieved that I don't have to deal with US egos and all this US political shit anymore. Peace out, and take care.
    - corethree 3y ago
      Like every other patient my life and my money are more important than anything else. It has nothing to do with ego. I can't respect a doctor who doesn't understand that and thinks it's just toxic. You're lucky to be practicing Europe.

rscho 3y ago

Many people feel the way you do, and it's understandable. Those laws vary from country to country, but variations of the same are found throughout western countries. It's in part a remain of the paternalistic medicine of olden times, where docs were supposed to decide for patients. But the main goal today is to avoid patients learning about life-changing news (AIDS, cancer, etc.) without being supported emotionally and informed about what results imply, to avoid rash or violent reactions (suicide) due to misunderstandings. I personally experienced grave misunderstandings over news that seemed trivial to me, but that the patient took as extremely aggravating. Of course this rule is very profitable as well for private care providers (which I am not, BTW). At this point, whether or not the rule is justified becomes a political issue, and I don't think there's a solution that would satisfy everybody.

corethree 3y ago
Well how about letting the patient choose how its reported. And even letting the patient be aware that the results might be life threatening. This will satisfy everybody. Most tests aren't for things like testing for HIV. So your reasoning makes zero sense as this law is applied to every test. And the whole suicide thing is obviously a miniscule issue. You're just making that crap up to sow controversy. Yeah I'm sure you encountered dozens of patients ready to kill themselves over test results but only your kind words were able to completely assuage them and stop them... Yeah sounds like a load of bullshit to me. There's no controversy here. It's a business incentive through and through. Patient choice would satisfy all patients. Only doctors wouldn't be satisfied. And that's the problem. Patients are dealing with there lives here. And Even you as a third party are painting the situation as "controversy" because you've been so desensitized by the patients you're supposed to take care of. Even though you're not in private care you are part of the problem because you're blind to the problem. I know multiple patients who had surgery in America only to go to another country for a check up for the doctor in the other country to say the surgery was completely pointless. You know how serious that is? I don't think you get it. Painting a crime as "controversial" or "political" issue is extremely aggravating for the person who's life is at stake. The only reason you characterize it this way is because you're not the one who's life is at stake. Patients aren't toxic. Patients are desperate. And most doctors including you just don't give enough of a shit. I'm sorry but that's the truth.
- rscho 3y ago
  For the record, I'm not in favor of such rules. Yes, you're really toxic, and display the typical US reaction. I'm fucking relieved that I don't have to deal with US egos and all this US political shit anymore. Peace out, and take care.
  - corethree 3y ago
    Like every other patient my life and my money are more important than anything else. It has nothing to do with ego. I can't respect a doctor who doesn't understand that and thinks it's just toxic. You're lucky to be practicing Europe.