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Can you link the sources for this. afaik India still has net neutrality and no bills tabled recently against this.

Alex4386 3y ago
If you connect two or more telecom lines into your rack or any service, you need to pay "Cross-Connect" fees. This is paid separately even if you brought your network line by your own. I can't say how much price is it since it is mostly trade secret with the sales dept of the telecom. but I'd say its a lot.
- rsingel 3y ago
  Usual fees for cross-connect are low and one-time. It's charging for data into a network that cause the issue.
  - elliewithcolor 3y ago
    Transit yes; Deutsche Telekom AG is one of the worst in Europe. While telia charges something in the range of 10-20ct per Mbit; DTAG charges 80ct.
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slipshady 3y ago
I don’t have data but I wouldn’t be surprised if it got there. India is mobile first, Jio is putting internet in the hands of 100s of millions of Indian at cheap prices. They’re shutting out the competitors. Jio also has its own streaming service, which doesn’t count against your data caps. That’s anti net neutrality. The obvious next step is to start making the sender pay for traffic as well.
- rsingel 3y ago
  That's the exact game plan: https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Inf...
- selfhoster69 3y ago
  > Jio also has its own streaming service, which doesn’t count against your data caps. How does this work? AFAIK JioCinema uses Akamai for content delivery... do they not count data for traffic from their own hosted edge caches or is it something else?
  - rsingel 3y ago
    Can you point me to where Jio says it zero rates this? This is new to me and very interested
rsingel 3y ago
Here's the proceeding on it: https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechanism-over-top-ott-communication-services-and-selective-banning https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechan... Here's Jio's filing, claiming poverty: https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Inf... Here's my boss, the great Stanford Law Professor Barbara van Schewick, rebutting Jio and more: https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publication/files/vanSchewick2023TRAIConsultationCountercomments20230915.pdf https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publicatio...
- yorwba 3y ago
  Broken link https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Inf...
  - rsingel 3y ago
    Try https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Inf... If not that, then https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechanism-over-top-ott-communication-services-and-selective-banning https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechan... and go to the last page of filings (p 21)
    - yorwba 3y ago
      > Try https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Inf... This one works. Took me embarrassingly long to figure out the difference is in the capitalization of "Jio".

If you connect two or more telecom lines into your rack or any service, you need to pay "Cross-Connect" fees. This is paid separately even if you brought your network line by your own. I can't say how much price is it since it is mostly trade secret with the sales dept of the telecom. but I'd say its a lot.

rsingel 3y ago
Usual fees for cross-connect are low and one-time. It's charging for data into a network that cause the issue.
- elliewithcolor 3y ago
  Transit yes; Deutsche Telekom AG is one of the worst in Europe. While telia charges something in the range of 10-20ct per Mbit; DTAG charges 80ct.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

slipshady 3y ago

I don’t have data but I wouldn’t be surprised if it got there. India is mobile first, Jio is putting internet in the hands of 100s of millions of Indian at cheap prices. They’re shutting out the competitors. Jio also has its own streaming service, which doesn’t count against your data caps. That’s anti net neutrality. The obvious next step is to start making the sender pay for traffic as well.

rsingel 3y ago
That's the exact game plan: https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Inf...
selfhoster69 3y ago
> Jio also has its own streaming service, which doesn’t count against your data caps. How does this work? AFAIK JioCinema uses Akamai for content delivery... do they not count data for traffic from their own hosted edge caches or is it something else?
- rsingel 3y ago
  Can you point me to where Jio says it zero rates this? This is new to me and very interested

rsingel 3y ago

Here's the proceeding on it: https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechanism-over-top-ott-communication-services-and-selective-banning https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechan... Here's Jio's filing, claiming poverty: https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Inf... Here's my boss, the great Stanford Law Professor Barbara van Schewick, rebutting Jio and more: https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publication/files/vanSchewick2023TRAIConsultationCountercomments20230915.pdf https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publicatio...

yorwba 3y ago
Broken link https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_JIO_Inf...
- rsingel 3y ago
  Try https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Inf... If not that, then https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechanism-over-top-ott-communication-services-and-selective-banning https://www.trai.gov.in/consultation-paper-regulatory-mechan... and go to the last page of filings (p 21)
  - yorwba 3y ago
    > Try https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Infocomm_04092023.pdf https://www.trai.gov.in/sites/default/files/Reliance_Jio_Inf... This one works. Took me embarrassingly long to figure out the difference is in the capitalization of "Jio".