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So from your perspective it would be oke if randomly thieves enter your home, "take" some stuff from you and leaving behind a calling card so you can arrange to

So from your perspective it would be oke if randomly thieves enter your home, "take" some stuff from you and leaving behind a calling card so you can arrange to get paid for it.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
This metaphor breaks down because you don't own the servers hosting the stuff in question. It's not your house to begin with. And it's not my point at all in that comment. I'm just saying most 'thieves' aren't trying to prove they are good people by stealing like how piracy arguments oh so often go here. Nor trying to pretend they are archivist saving artifacts from disappearing off the face of the earth. They are either greedy, desperate to survive, and in a few rare cases a pathological disorder. It's premium entertainment, and people either want to consume a product but dont/can't pay. It's that simple. and I'm not saying that from a judgmental POV either. I've done it quite a bit as a grade schooler.
- rowanG077 3y ago
  The entire point is indeed that you can't own it. You saying it's not comparable because you don't own the servers is non-sensical. It's not like you can choose not use the servers. Well you can. You have to pirate it.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    There's plenty (most of the) comments talking about ownership, I have nothing more to add on that topic. It's only tangentially related to my main point in that it's an argument used to defend piracy. And it's IMO a futile argument because people can't agree what "ownership" is. For me, I try to find drm free copies of games when possible, or physical media when that fails. That's enough for me to feel "ownership". ---- I simply wanted to talk about the internet attitude towards piracy in this thread. I've done it but I never boasted around about slaying some corrupt corporation by ripping an ISO off a disc, or simply finding a torrent. No, I did it to either not pay for a game or to mod games with no native mod support. I'm not a good person to begin with and I don't pretend I'm a good person by pirating.

So from your perspective it would be oke if randomly thieves enter your home, "take" some stuff from you and leaving behind a calling card so you can arrange to get paid for it.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

This metaphor breaks down because you don't own the servers hosting the stuff in question. It's not your house to begin with. And it's not my point at all in that comment. I'm just saying most 'thieves' aren't trying to prove they are good people by stealing like how piracy arguments oh so often go here. Nor trying to pretend they are archivist saving artifacts from disappearing off the face of the earth. They are either greedy, desperate to survive, and in a few rare cases a pathological disorder. It's premium entertainment, and people either want to consume a product but dont/can't pay. It's that simple. and I'm not saying that from a judgmental POV either. I've done it quite a bit as a grade schooler.

rowanG077 3y ago
The entire point is indeed that you can't own it. You saying it's not comparable because you don't own the servers is non-sensical. It's not like you can choose not use the servers. Well you can. You have to pirate it.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  There's plenty (most of the) comments talking about ownership, I have nothing more to add on that topic. It's only tangentially related to my main point in that it's an argument used to defend piracy. And it's IMO a futile argument because people can't agree what "ownership" is. For me, I try to find drm free copies of games when possible, or physical media when that fails. That's enough for me to feel "ownership". ---- I simply wanted to talk about the internet attitude towards piracy in this thread. I've done it but I never boasted around about slaying some corrupt corporation by ripping an ISO off a disc, or simply finding a torrent. No, I did it to either not pay for a game or to mod games with no native mod support. I'm not a good person to begin with and I don't pretend I'm a good person by pirating.