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Is this specifically unauthorized, though? The user is permitted to use Apple's services, and Apple has, as far as I know, not announced that third party apps m

Is this specifically unauthorized, though? The user is permitted to use Apple's services, and Apple has, as far as I know, not announced that third party apps may not use their services.

sprite 3y ago
If Apple files a complaint with Google it will definitely get taken down under this clause, so I think the only way it will stay up is if Apple doesn’t care. With the trouble Apple goes through to ensure you are accessing APNS from an Apple device including obfuscating the signing algorithm and requiring unique hardware identifiers I think it’s safe to assume they don’t want 3rd parties accessing their services.
ryukoposting 3y ago
Even Signal pitches a fit if you use a third-party app with their servers. It's a common (and unfortunate) practice.
- remus 3y ago
  > It's a common (and unfortunate) practice. It would be nice if third party clients were allowed to connect, but it's totally understandable if they don't want to allow it. Servers cost money, and misbehaving client apps that you have no control over sound like a pain in the ass.
- colinsane 3y ago
  what does this mean? plenty of 3rd party signal clients exist (flare being a well-known one); signal explicitly factored out a libsignal presumably to _encourage_ this. i’ve run multiple 3rd-party signal clients, even alongside the official apps, and never seen any problems or warnings. [flare]: https://gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/flare https://gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/flare
  - joecool1029 3y ago
    >what does this mean? Moxie (Signal's founder) has thrown fits in the past over the existence of third-party clients using their servers: https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issueco...
    - droopyEyelids 3y ago
      By calling that a “fit” it sounds like you’ve an axe to grind. That was pretty damn polite for a heated mailing list discussion.
      - ryukoposting 3y ago
        I use my own personal fork of the official Signal app (I absolutely despise the idea of going back to having a separate SMS app), so I do. Sort of.

Is this specifically unauthorized, though? The user is permitted to use Apple's services, and Apple has, as far as I know, not announced that third party apps may not use their services.

sprite 3y ago

If Apple files a complaint with Google it will definitely get taken down under this clause, so I think the only way it will stay up is if Apple doesn’t care. With the trouble Apple goes through to ensure you are accessing APNS from an Apple device including obfuscating the signing algorithm and requiring unique hardware identifiers I think it’s safe to assume they don’t want 3rd parties accessing their services.

ryukoposting 3y ago

Even Signal pitches a fit if you use a third-party app with their servers. It's a common (and unfortunate) practice.

remus 3y ago
> It's a common (and unfortunate) practice. It would be nice if third party clients were allowed to connect, but it's totally understandable if they don't want to allow it. Servers cost money, and misbehaving client apps that you have no control over sound like a pain in the ass.
colinsane 3y ago
what does this mean? plenty of 3rd party signal clients exist (flare being a well-known one); signal explicitly factored out a libsignal presumably to _encourage_ this. i’ve run multiple 3rd-party signal clients, even alongside the official apps, and never seen any problems or warnings. [flare]: https://gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/flare https://gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/flare
- joecool1029 3y ago
  >what does this mean? Moxie (Signal's founder) has thrown fits in the past over the existence of third-party clients using their servers: https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issueco...
  - droopyEyelids 3y ago
    By calling that a “fit” it sounds like you’ve an axe to grind. That was pretty damn polite for a heated mailing list discussion.
    - ryukoposting 3y ago
      I use my own personal fork of the official Signal app (I absolutely despise the idea of going back to having a separate SMS app), so I do. Sort of.