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Soo this seems to be when you use the "share" button on Youtube rather than doing the simple universal old-as-www thing of.. copying the URL from the URL bar. O

by weikju 3y ago

Soo this seems to be when you use the "share" button on Youtube rather than doing the simple universal old-as-www thing of.. copying the URL from the URL bar. Of course, people these days have no idea what a URL or URL bar is, as it's often hidden anyway... :( https://nitter.net/OldRowSwig/status/1732112446943269347 https://nitter.net/OldRowSwig/status/1732112446943269347

tech234a 3y ago
If you use the mobile app, the Share button is the only way to get the video ID.
- iseanstevens 3y ago
  This pattern has led me to avoid apps and use the websites on mobile.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    YouTube Revanced is awesome though, even if parts can be replicated via mobile web with extensions.
    - Fatnino 3y ago
      Revanced still has ?feature=shared tacked on to the end of links created with the share button. But no user identifying ID.
  - WD40forRust42 3y ago
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userbinator 3y ago
Of course, people these days have no idea what a URL or URL bar is, as it's often hidden anyway ...and if you didn't think this wasn't one of the goals of that trend, now you do. Those in power hate it when people can consume information from and communicate outside of their sanctioned methods. We saw it coming when they started dumbing down browsers and hiding things from users --- not because the majority wouldn't use them, but to deliberately make users less inclined to learn. Nearly 10 years ago(!) when that started happening, I made a comment here about how many YouTube users at the time realised what was the important part of the URL (the video ID) and began to use that in comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7678729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7678729
Dalewyn 3y ago
>Of course, people these days have no idea what a URL or URL bar is, as it's often hidden anyway... :( The vast majority of users have no idea what an address or address bar is, let alone a Universal Resource Locator. Hell, most users don't understand files and folders in a computing context either. As much as I hate how iOS, Android, MacOS, and presumably even Windows these days are obfuscating the file system and nearly everything pertaining to it, I do think it's a necessary step in the right direction. Most users do not address, and as computing hardware and software engineers, designers, and nerds we have an obligation to provide computers that all users can easily understand.
- eastbound 3y ago
  It is not a good idea to assume that users are stupid, uncurious and can’t learn. The end-state of this philosophy is that citizen can’t get informed and can’t vote properly, we need to tell them who to vote for, and do it instead of them. What differenciated the Middle Ages from the Enlightenment periods is the understanding that people aren’t that stupid, we don’t have to hide the Bible behind Latin, we can translate it to the local language and they’ll learn by themselves instead of going through clercs, and the same goes for law, physics, sciences and philosophy. And we’re much better off with populaces able to make decisions for themselves (ie copy from the URL and drop one letter by mistake) than dumbing down everything to have control over them.
  - b112 3y ago
    But... people might come to conclusions I don't like! Or agree with!!
- rockskon 3y ago
  Knowing how to navigate to websites directly seems important for laypeople to understand. There is point where dumbing down technology doesn't make it meaningfully more accessible but just serves to harm users. Hiding the URL bar is past that point.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
Roark66 3y ago
Google has been working with great deal of effort for decades to stop people from using urls. From the integration of the search function in the address bar to the famous mangling of links returned by Google searches. It's why sites like urlclean exist.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  I just looked at the full URI of very simple google search and it includes my browser for one thing... Why do they need those 387 characters beyond the original query... No wonder Chrome wants to hide all that...
  - zo1 3y ago
    It's 100% so they can somehow correlate the data available in the adsense/adwords dashboards given to the site owners.
CodesInChaos 3y ago
When I share links, I often want a timestamp in it. Adding that is pretty annoying without the share button.
- greenyoda 3y ago
  If you right click on the progress bar at the bottom of the video, one of the options is: "Copy video URL at current time". (Although YouTube might also start adding extra IDs to that URL in the future.)
  - summarity 3y ago
    You can do that right click anywhere on the video
    - b112 3y ago
      How do you right click on your mobile device?
      - autoexec 3y ago
        That's like asking how to right click on a television. Mobile devices are designed primarily for mindless content consumption and personal data collection so basic functionality is crippled by design I get that "Use a real computer" isn't helpful though, so I'd recommend getting an app like NewPipe since you can use the "share" button there to copy the video's URL with the current timestamp included to your clipboard or paste it directly into apps of your choosing.
- cramjabsyn 3y ago
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  - deleted 3y ago
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  - w-ll 3y ago

by weikju 3y ago

tech234a 3y ago

If you use the mobile app, the Share button is the only way to get the video ID.

iseanstevens 3y ago
This pattern has led me to avoid apps and use the websites on mobile.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  YouTube Revanced is awesome though, even if parts can be replicated via mobile web with extensions.
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    Revanced still has ?feature=shared tacked on to the end of links created with the share button. But no user identifying ID.
- WD40forRust42 3y ago
  [dead]

userbinator 3y ago

Of course, people these days have no idea what a URL or URL bar is, as it's often hidden anyway ...and if you didn't think this wasn't one of the goals of that trend, now you do. Those in power hate it when people can consume information from and communicate outside of their sanctioned methods. We saw it coming when they started dumbing down browsers and hiding things from users --- not because the majority wouldn't use them, but to deliberately make users less inclined to learn. Nearly 10 years ago(!) when that started happening, I made a comment here about how many YouTube users at the time realised what was the important part of the URL (the video ID) and began to use that in comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7678729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7678729

Dalewyn 3y ago

>Of course, people these days have no idea what a URL or URL bar is, as it's often hidden anyway... :( The vast majority of users have no idea what an address or address bar is, let alone a Universal Resource Locator. Hell, most users don't understand files and folders in a computing context either. As much as I hate how iOS, Android, MacOS, and presumably even Windows these days are obfuscating the file system and nearly everything pertaining to it, I do think it's a necessary step in the right direction. Most users do not address, and as computing hardware and software engineers, designers, and nerds we have an obligation to provide computers that all users can easily understand.

eastbound 3y ago
It is not a good idea to assume that users are stupid, uncurious and can’t learn. The end-state of this philosophy is that citizen can’t get informed and can’t vote properly, we need to tell them who to vote for, and do it instead of them. What differenciated the Middle Ages from the Enlightenment periods is the understanding that people aren’t that stupid, we don’t have to hide the Bible behind Latin, we can translate it to the local language and they’ll learn by themselves instead of going through clercs, and the same goes for law, physics, sciences and philosophy. And we’re much better off with populaces able to make decisions for themselves (ie copy from the URL and drop one letter by mistake) than dumbing down everything to have control over them.
- b112 3y ago
  But... people might come to conclusions I don't like! Or agree with!!
rockskon 3y ago
Knowing how to navigate to websites directly seems important for laypeople to understand. There is point where dumbing down technology doesn't make it meaningfully more accessible but just serves to harm users. Hiding the URL bar is past that point.
- Dalewyn 3y ago

Roark66 3y ago

Google has been working with great deal of effort for decades to stop people from using urls. From the integration of the search function in the address bar to the famous mangling of links returned by Google searches. It's why sites like urlclean exist.

Ekaros 3y ago
I just looked at the full URI of very simple google search and it includes my browser for one thing... Why do they need those 387 characters beyond the original query... No wonder Chrome wants to hide all that...
- zo1 3y ago
  It's 100% so they can somehow correlate the data available in the adsense/adwords dashboards given to the site owners.

CodesInChaos 3y ago

When I share links, I often want a timestamp in it. Adding that is pretty annoying without the share button.

greenyoda 3y ago
If you right click on the progress bar at the bottom of the video, one of the options is: "Copy video URL at current time". (Although YouTube might also start adding extra IDs to that URL in the future.)
- summarity 3y ago
  You can do that right click anywhere on the video
  - b112 3y ago
    How do you right click on your mobile device?
    - autoexec 3y ago
      That's like asking how to right click on a television. Mobile devices are designed primarily for mindless content consumption and personal data collection so basic functionality is crippled by design I get that "Use a real computer" isn't helpful though, so I'd recommend getting an app like NewPipe since you can use the "share" button there to copy the video's URL with the current timestamp included to your clipboard or paste it directly into apps of your choosing.
cramjabsyn 3y ago
?t=4m20s
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- w-ll 3y ago