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> The "not notable enough" is in place in part to try to limit the amount of pages that need curating. As someone who leans inclusionist I wondered about that,

by jowea 3y ago

> The "not notable enough" is in place in part to try to limit the amount of pages that need curating. As someone who leans inclusionist I wondered about that, but I think it also has to do with the existence of reliable sources. You need them to write an article, and the notability guidelines exclude articles that would be impossible or hard to write due to lack of sources.

shagie 3y ago
The extreme inclusionist position (and I've got a straw man there) ends up with sites that are full of outdated information that few people want to maintain. Even if we say "ok, the cost of the page on some random middle school is 1 minute / year" then as it grows to that 13,000 schools - that's 220 hours. Five and a half weeks of checking each page once a year for 1 minute with a 40 hour week. And looking, I'm slightly off on the number of schools. > During the 2020-2021 school year, there were 13,187 public school districts. These school districts enrolled 47,755,349 students across all 50 states and the District of Columbia. ( https://ballotpedia.org/Public_school_district_(United_States) https://ballotpedia.org/Public_school_district_(United_State... ) Many school districts have multiple schools (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dallas_Independent_School_District_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dallas_Independent_Sch... ) How much time are you willing to spend maintaining individual pages as opposed to a page that lists all the schools and a little bit about each one. The list page takes a similar amount of time to maintain than each page as an individual one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Metropolitan_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Metropolitan_School_Di... as another example. Pages for high schools? They tend to have sufficient information about them (though the high school that I went to doesn't have a page). Multiply that number by two for the middle schools and by twice again for the elementary schools... and it gets to the difficult to maintain realm. Another example of a school district and note the lack of middle school distinct pages - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto_Unified_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto_Unified_School_Distr...
- karencarits 3y ago
  But as long you can get hold of the data, it can be updated in batch. See https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_projects https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_pro...

by jowea 3y ago

shagie 3y ago

The extreme inclusionist position (and I've got a straw man there) ends up with sites that are full of outdated information that few people want to maintain. Even if we say "ok, the cost of the page on some random middle school is 1 minute / year" then as it grows to that 13,000 schools - that's 220 hours. Five and a half weeks of checking each page once a year for 1 minute with a 40 hour week. And looking, I'm slightly off on the number of schools. > During the 2020-2021 school year, there were 13,187 public school districts. These school districts enrolled 47,755,349 students across all 50 states and the District of Columbia. ( https://ballotpedia.org/Public_school_district_(United_States) https://ballotpedia.org/Public_school_district_(United_State... ) Many school districts have multiple schools (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dallas_Independent_School_District_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dallas_Independent_Sch... ) How much time are you willing to spend maintaining individual pages as opposed to a page that lists all the schools and a little bit about each one. The list page takes a similar amount of time to maintain than each page as an individual one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Metropolitan_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Metropolitan_School_Di... as another example. Pages for high schools? They tend to have sufficient information about them (though the high school that I went to doesn't have a page). Multiply that number by two for the middle schools and by twice again for the elementary schools... and it gets to the difficult to maintain realm. Another example of a school district and note the lack of middle school distinct pages - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto_Unified_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto_Unified_School_Distr...

karencarits 3y ago
But as long you can get hold of the data, it can be updated in batch. See https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_projects https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_pro...