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Facebook wanted to do this with Messenger too. If they couldn’t do it, I see no reason to believe that X can.

by iamacyborg 3y ago

Brybry 3y ago
But doesn't WhatsApp basically do this? Just not yet in most of the world.
- iamacyborg 3y ago
  What does it do beyond messaging?
  - jowea 3y ago
    I'm not familiar with WeChat but whatsapp has some business features and also payment integration at least in some countries. Not that far from this description of WeChat: "WeChat provides text messaging, hold-to-talk voice messaging, broadcast (one-to-many) messaging, video conferencing, video games, mobile payment, sharing of photographs and videos and location sharing. "
    - iamacyborg 3y ago
      As far as I know, the business features it has are just messaging related. You might want to read the Wikipedia article you’ve quoted to understand just how broad of a feature set Wechat actually has.
  - Brybry 3y ago
    Payments: https://faq.whatsapp.com/1293279751500598 https://faq.whatsapp.com/1293279751500598 (people and businesses) Microblogging (Channels): https://faq.whatsapp.com/549900560675125 https://faq.whatsapp.com/549900560675125 I think Status is sort of like Snapchat with ephemeral microblogging? All the typical voice/video/group video/screen share stuff.
- mikece 3y ago
  You can use WhatsApp to make purchases both in the app and the real world?
mikece 3y ago
From Wikipedia: "[In 1999] Musk co-founded X.com, a direct bank. X.com merged with Confinity in 2000 to form PayPal." Apparently he kept the x.com domain and never lost the desire to be a bank?
- Strom 3y ago
  He didn't keep the x.com domain. He purchased it from PayPal in 2017. [1] Indeed at the time Musk tweeted Thanks PayPal for allowing me to buy back http://X.com http://X.com! No plans right now, but it has great sentimental value to me. [2] -- [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/10/15949862/elon-musk-x-com-paypal-tesla-spacex-domain-name https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/10/15949862/elon-musk-x-com-... [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/884580654117076992 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/884580654117076992
rand1239 3y ago
The critical difference here is this is being attempted by the guy who was kind of behind PayPal, Tesla and Spacex. The guys who are trying to make Messenger an everything app are probably some random MBA grads who have done nothing of significance in their life and real world. It's more about ability to make change in real world to improve human condition. Facebook has 0 expertise when it comes to this. Only thing Facebook has expertise is in building web pages, servers and running AB tests to make humanity keep scrolling down and stare at bullshit.
- financltravsty 3y ago
  > PayPal X.com*
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  > who was kind of behind PayPal Musk was nowhere near "kind of behind PayPal". Musk had an attempt at an online bank that was ... not going well. Confinity had built a prototype/MVP of PayPal. They'd already got it running. They had trademarks, everything. Then they merged with Musk's company. Musk was the largest shareholder, and was made the first CEO. He remained CEO for four months, most of which he spent trying to be stubborn about throwing away the entire prototype to rewrite it in Windows/IIS and Classic ASP (i.e. Visual Basic) because he didn't understand Solaris and Java. The Board got so sick of this that a couple of days after his four month anniversary, when he'd just left for two weeks off on his honeymoon of all things, they fired him in his absence. Apropos of the recent OpenAI clusterfuck, think about how badly you have to fuck up as a CEO of a company that you're the major shareholder in that they fire you (no "concentrating on my family"), let alone while you're on your honeymoon.
- shalmanese 3y ago
  > The guys who are trying to make Messenger an everything app are probably some random MBA grads who have done nothing of significance in their life and real world. The head of Messenger when this happened was literally the ex-president of PayPal. https://time.com/2850224/paypal-david-marcus-facebook-messenger/ https://time.com/2850224/paypal-david-marcus-facebook-messen...

Facebook wanted to do this with Messenger too. If they couldn’t do it, I see no reason to believe that X can.

Brybry 3y ago

But doesn't WhatsApp basically do this? Just not yet in most of the world.

iamacyborg 3y ago
What does it do beyond messaging?
- jowea 3y ago
  I'm not familiar with WeChat but whatsapp has some business features and also payment integration at least in some countries. Not that far from this description of WeChat: "WeChat provides text messaging, hold-to-talk voice messaging, broadcast (one-to-many) messaging, video conferencing, video games, mobile payment, sharing of photographs and videos and location sharing. "
  - iamacyborg 3y ago
    As far as I know, the business features it has are just messaging related. You might want to read the Wikipedia article you’ve quoted to understand just how broad of a feature set Wechat actually has.
- Brybry 3y ago
  Payments: https://faq.whatsapp.com/1293279751500598 https://faq.whatsapp.com/1293279751500598 (people and businesses) Microblogging (Channels): https://faq.whatsapp.com/549900560675125 https://faq.whatsapp.com/549900560675125 I think Status is sort of like Snapchat with ephemeral microblogging? All the typical voice/video/group video/screen share stuff.
mikece 3y ago
You can use WhatsApp to make purchases both in the app and the real world?

mikece 3y ago

From Wikipedia: "[In 1999] Musk co-founded X.com, a direct bank. X.com merged with Confinity in 2000 to form PayPal." Apparently he kept the x.com domain and never lost the desire to be a bank?

Strom 3y ago
He didn't keep the x.com domain. He purchased it from PayPal in 2017. [1] Indeed at the time Musk tweeted Thanks PayPal for allowing me to buy back http://X.com http://X.com! No plans right now, but it has great sentimental value to me. [2] -- [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/10/15949862/elon-musk-x-com-paypal-tesla-spacex-domain-name https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/10/15949862/elon-musk-x-com-... [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/884580654117076992 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/884580654117076992

rand1239 3y ago

The critical difference here is this is being attempted by the guy who was kind of behind PayPal, Tesla and Spacex. The guys who are trying to make Messenger an everything app are probably some random MBA grads who have done nothing of significance in their life and real world. It's more about ability to make change in real world to improve human condition. Facebook has 0 expertise when it comes to this. Only thing Facebook has expertise is in building web pages, servers and running AB tests to make humanity keep scrolling down and stare at bullshit.

financltravsty 3y ago
> PayPal X.com*
FireBeyond 3y ago
> who was kind of behind PayPal Musk was nowhere near "kind of behind PayPal". Musk had an attempt at an online bank that was ... not going well. Confinity had built a prototype/MVP of PayPal. They'd already got it running. They had trademarks, everything. Then they merged with Musk's company. Musk was the largest shareholder, and was made the first CEO. He remained CEO for four months, most of which he spent trying to be stubborn about throwing away the entire prototype to rewrite it in Windows/IIS and Classic ASP (i.e. Visual Basic) because he didn't understand Solaris and Java. The Board got so sick of this that a couple of days after his four month anniversary, when he'd just left for two weeks off on his honeymoon of all things, they fired him in his absence. Apropos of the recent OpenAI clusterfuck, think about how badly you have to fuck up as a CEO of a company that you're the major shareholder in that they fire you (no "concentrating on my family"), let alone while you're on your honeymoon.
shalmanese 3y ago
> The guys who are trying to make Messenger an everything app are probably some random MBA grads who have done nothing of significance in their life and real world. The head of Messenger when this happened was literally the ex-president of PayPal. https://time.com/2850224/paypal-david-marcus-facebook-messenger/ https://time.com/2850224/paypal-david-marcus-facebook-messen...