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I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or genuine. I also want folks to be able to say anything on the internet, and to have agency in filtering content served to me.

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or genuine. I also want folks to be able to say anything on the internet, and to have agency in filtering content served to me. I’ll also pay sites that don’t abuse my humanity, to support them. Best of all worlds.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
I am genuine in believing few would want this. I do not yet have a theory as to why, it's only my intuition. I want them to want that. Desperately so. I don't think payment helps. They'll take your money and abuse you anyway. One phenomenon I've recently clued into is that of the "market-hostile business". Now that I understand that it is a thing which can exist, I see it everywhere. There are businesses out there which have changed hands many times, and not just new owners purchasing them from the last. New boards of directors, new vice presidents hired, new managers. Just constant churn. And at some point in the (not necessarily recent) past, the people in charge were those that truly hated their customers. Hate of the "burning, eternal rage" variety. But they couldn't kill the golden goose either. They still sell the stuff their customers want to buy. But they poison it. They fill it up with garbage. They make it worse in every way possible, right up to the point where this is still a deniable phenomenon. See it alot in media... there's some show or franchise or genre that you like. But the people producing the show hate it. They think it's low-brow. They give the laziest effort possible. They fight with the few on the production crew who enjoy it. In many cases, getting them fired. Many other brands and products are like this though. And if you pay them for it, they don't love you for being a loyal customer. They resent you for being a chump. And there's nothing to be done about this.
- narag 3y ago
  One phenomenon I've recently clued into is that of the "market-hostile business". Not only old businesses, watch Peter Thiel's "competition is for losers": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fx5Q8xGU8k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fx5Q8xGU8k
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  > I want them to want that. Desperately so. I hate the phrase "facts don't care about your feelings." It's default-offensive and trite. It's also a little untrue; human beings filter their comprehension of facts through emotion all the time, and a huge category of "facts" are arbitrary social norms where the only reason they are what they are is feelings. ... that having been said, I feel like if people were going to want that, we wouldn't have seen Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, and TikTok (even Blogger, MySpace, and LiveJournal, ultimately) take off the way they did. It is easier than ever before to host your own content, run your own blog from a static (or dynamic) site generator, and set up your own database of comments that you will moderate. Almost nobody wants any of that. They want someone else hosting. They want the amount of time they spend doing sysadmin shit to be zero. They definitely don't want to be the front line of comment moderation, where everything from the most well-crafted put-down that will sit with them for days to actual child pornography will be their responsibility to filter. I don't have an answer. In fact, I think the answer is "stop trying to force it." Let there be a less-free Internet for those without the time and jealously guard the more-free Internet for those willing to do the pain and toil of being independent. The only other alternatives I see are put up a bunch of law around this space (which just cedes the power from unaccountable corporations to governments that become increasingly unaccountable as their jurisdiction grows, and the jurisdiction scope needed to police the Internet is "global")... Or solve the problem from the other end, roll the clock back to the "good old days" when the 'net fit in a bathtub and could be moderated by gentlemen's agreements and peers... And start handing out licenses to use that 'net, while everyone else just gets to live in the late-20th century forever.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

I am genuine in believing few would want this. I do not yet have a theory as to why, it's only my intuition. I want them to want that. Desperately so. I don't think payment helps. They'll take your money and abuse you anyway. One phenomenon I've recently clued into is that of the "market-hostile business". Now that I understand that it is a thing which can exist, I see it everywhere. There are businesses out there which have changed hands many times, and not just new owners purchasing them from the last. New boards of directors, new vice presidents hired, new managers. Just constant churn. And at some point in the (not necessarily recent) past, the people in charge were those that truly hated their customers. Hate of the "burning, eternal rage" variety. But they couldn't kill the golden goose either. They still sell the stuff their customers want to buy. But they poison it. They fill it up with garbage. They make it worse in every way possible, right up to the point where this is still a deniable phenomenon. See it alot in media... there's some show or franchise or genre that you like. But the people producing the show hate it. They think it's low-brow. They give the laziest effort possible. They fight with the few on the production crew who enjoy it. In many cases, getting them fired. Many other brands and products are like this though. And if you pay them for it, they don't love you for being a loyal customer. They resent you for being a chump. And there's nothing to be done about this.

narag 3y ago
One phenomenon I've recently clued into is that of the "market-hostile business". Not only old businesses, watch Peter Thiel's "competition is for losers": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fx5Q8xGU8k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fx5Q8xGU8k
shadowgovt 3y ago
> I want them to want that. Desperately so. I hate the phrase "facts don't care about your feelings." It's default-offensive and trite. It's also a little untrue; human beings filter their comprehension of facts through emotion all the time, and a huge category of "facts" are arbitrary social norms where the only reason they are what they are is feelings. ... that having been said, I feel like if people were going to want that, we wouldn't have seen Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, and TikTok (even Blogger, MySpace, and LiveJournal, ultimately) take off the way they did. It is easier than ever before to host your own content, run your own blog from a static (or dynamic) site generator, and set up your own database of comments that you will moderate. Almost nobody wants any of that. They want someone else hosting. They want the amount of time they spend doing sysadmin shit to be zero. They definitely don't want to be the front line of comment moderation, where everything from the most well-crafted put-down that will sit with them for days to actual child pornography will be their responsibility to filter. I don't have an answer. In fact, I think the answer is "stop trying to force it." Let there be a less-free Internet for those without the time and jealously guard the more-free Internet for those willing to do the pain and toil of being independent. The only other alternatives I see are put up a bunch of law around this space (which just cedes the power from unaccountable corporations to governments that become increasingly unaccountable as their jurisdiction grows, and the jurisdiction scope needed to police the Internet is "global")... Or solve the problem from the other end, roll the clock back to the "good old days" when the 'net fit in a bathtub and could be moderated by gentlemen's agreements and peers... And start handing out licenses to use that 'net, while everyone else just gets to live in the late-20th century forever.