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WhatsApp, Telegram and many other platforms do everything that iMessage does and more, without the deliberate segregation of users on different platforms. In e

WhatsApp, Telegram and many other platforms do everything that iMessage does and more, without the deliberate segregation of users on different platforms. In effect, you are using a third party app (as opposed to stock SMS), but Apple has integrated it into their OS and refused to release versions for other platforms.

rootusrootus 3y ago
So you're saying that if I install WhatsApp on my phone, I can text anyone I want, if I have their phone number? Doesn't matter if they have WhatsApp installed? I just say "send this to 5551212" and it gets there?
- standardUser 3y ago
  They need to install the app, which is free. What they don't need to do is buy an iPhone, which is not free.
  - danaris 3y ago
    So they absolutely segregate users onto their proprietary platform, it just happens not to cost money to use.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    Android phones are free? I have to buy the phone no matter what, so I don't see that as a differentiator. I don't want multiple ecosystems that don't interoperate at all. I don't want to give my private conversations over to an ad company like Facebook. I like iMessage because it adds features without taking. I don't worry about what app I need to use depending on who I want to talk to, I just send them a message and move on with my life.
    - gkbrk 3y ago
      You can run Android apps on almost any non-Apple brand of phones, Windows PCs, Linux, Mac OS and Chromebooks. You can run iMessage on Apple devices, nowhere else. Surely you see the difference.
      - rootusrootus 3y ago
        > Surely you see the difference. I know what argument you're trying to make, but I think it is disingenuous to pretend that WhatsApp is free while iMessage is not. As a practical matter neither is free, and both are free.
        standardUser 3y ago
        iMessage is not free insofar as one much purchase an iPhone to use it.
cchance 3y ago
Your literally talking about WhatsApp and Telegram as if they aren't their own segregated microcosms you can't message from whatsapp to telegram for instance so obviously they are their own segregated users by platform, its just a software platform not a hardware platform.
- standardUser 3y ago
  They are hardware agnostic, iMessage is restricted to users of very specific hardware.
  - chronicsonic 3y ago
    Its only now just arrived in beta on the iPad.
    - nicolas_17 3y ago
      ...what is the "it" that just arrived to the iPad?
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        I assume they meant WhatsApp : https://wabetainfo.com/whatsapp-beta-for-ios-23-19-1-71-whats-new/ https://wabetainfo.com/whatsapp-beta-for-ios-23-19-1-71-what...

rootusrootus 3y ago

So you're saying that if I install WhatsApp on my phone, I can text anyone I want, if I have their phone number? Doesn't matter if they have WhatsApp installed? I just say "send this to 5551212" and it gets there?

standardUser 3y ago
They need to install the app, which is free. What they don't need to do is buy an iPhone, which is not free.
- danaris 3y ago
  So they absolutely segregate users onto their proprietary platform, it just happens not to cost money to use.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Android phones are free? I have to buy the phone no matter what, so I don't see that as a differentiator. I don't want multiple ecosystems that don't interoperate at all. I don't want to give my private conversations over to an ad company like Facebook. I like iMessage because it adds features without taking. I don't worry about what app I need to use depending on who I want to talk to, I just send them a message and move on with my life.
  - gkbrk 3y ago
    You can run Android apps on almost any non-Apple brand of phones, Windows PCs, Linux, Mac OS and Chromebooks. You can run iMessage on Apple devices, nowhere else. Surely you see the difference.
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      > Surely you see the difference. I know what argument you're trying to make, but I think it is disingenuous to pretend that WhatsApp is free while iMessage is not. As a practical matter neither is free, and both are free.
      - standardUser 3y ago
        iMessage is not free insofar as one much purchase an iPhone to use it.

cchance 3y ago

Your literally talking about WhatsApp and Telegram as if they aren't their own segregated microcosms you can't message from whatsapp to telegram for instance so obviously they are their own segregated users by platform, its just a software platform not a hardware platform.

standardUser 3y ago
They are hardware agnostic, iMessage is restricted to users of very specific hardware.
- chronicsonic 3y ago
  Its only now just arrived in beta on the iPad.
  - nicolas_17 3y ago
    ...what is the "it" that just arrived to the iPad?
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      I assume they meant WhatsApp : https://wabetainfo.com/whatsapp-beta-for-ios-23-19-1-71-whats-new/ https://wabetainfo.com/whatsapp-beta-for-ios-23-19-1-71-what...