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What is incorrect in this reference? You have not proposed any counterarguments. Also if you need just more fresh data - how do you propose to interpret the res

What is incorrect in this reference? You have not proposed any counterarguments. Also if you need just more fresh data - how do you propose to interpret the result of the Rosenhan's experiment?

wavemode 3y ago
That lying about your symptoms to doctors leads to incorrect diagnoses?
- eimrine 3y ago
  They are _not_ doctors in terms of evidence-based medicine, just policemen without a token. The problem is obviously not about incorrect diagnosis, I can lie to any doctor about any symptoms and just go home with zero obstructions from feds.
  - nick222226 3y ago
    As someone who was formerly in a mental ward for acute crisis, I would say that at least the 72 hour hold was an essential and necessary part of my treatment. I don't think that staying at home with unprepared family members for the acute period would have worked out, and I don't even have a problematic home environment! The flip side of the coin is that I was in a really high quality hospital, I'm sure there are hospitals or facilities that can be more harmful rather than helpful. I also have a problem with the way that they treat mental health like cancer, that once you have a diagnosis you will always have it. There are zero diagnostic criteria for "fully recovered" or removing dependence on medication, even after 5 or 10 years. It's also treated like a scarlet letter for insurance and unrelated things like TSA pre check - no matter how well you are doing you are still some level of risk to yourself and society. Though I could be wrong... the reoccurrence chart over time for my specific acute mania (with no depressive episodes) does look a lot like cancer remission charts with asymptotic approach to 80%+ reoccurrence after 2-4 years.
Woshiwuja 3y ago
Dont put people inside mental asylums when they are not ill?
- eimrine 3y ago
  There is no evidence of existing at least one defined illness in psy* fields. For example, let me tell you that a person X fell ill with schizophrenia. What do you know about X or X's brain?
  - oasisbob 3y ago
    Most psychologists would be much more interested in person X's behavior, rather than their brain.
    - eimrine 3y ago
      And believe in such false statement as a free will? So what is a part of organism (if not brain) which might be possible for psy* specialist to heal, is it an arm or a leg or a spine?

What is incorrect in this reference? You have not proposed any counterarguments. Also if you need just more fresh data - how do you propose to interpret the result of the Rosenhan's experiment?

wavemode 3y ago

That lying about your symptoms to doctors leads to incorrect diagnoses?

eimrine 3y ago
They are _not_ doctors in terms of evidence-based medicine, just policemen without a token. The problem is obviously not about incorrect diagnosis, I can lie to any doctor about any symptoms and just go home with zero obstructions from feds.
- nick222226 3y ago
  As someone who was formerly in a mental ward for acute crisis, I would say that at least the 72 hour hold was an essential and necessary part of my treatment. I don't think that staying at home with unprepared family members for the acute period would have worked out, and I don't even have a problematic home environment! The flip side of the coin is that I was in a really high quality hospital, I'm sure there are hospitals or facilities that can be more harmful rather than helpful. I also have a problem with the way that they treat mental health like cancer, that once you have a diagnosis you will always have it. There are zero diagnostic criteria for "fully recovered" or removing dependence on medication, even after 5 or 10 years. It's also treated like a scarlet letter for insurance and unrelated things like TSA pre check - no matter how well you are doing you are still some level of risk to yourself and society. Though I could be wrong... the reoccurrence chart over time for my specific acute mania (with no depressive episodes) does look a lot like cancer remission charts with asymptotic approach to 80%+ reoccurrence after 2-4 years.

Woshiwuja 3y ago

Dont put people inside mental asylums when they are not ill?

eimrine 3y ago
There is no evidence of existing at least one defined illness in psy* fields. For example, let me tell you that a person X fell ill with schizophrenia. What do you know about X or X's brain?
- oasisbob 3y ago
  Most psychologists would be much more interested in person X's behavior, rather than their brain.
  - eimrine 3y ago
    And believe in such false statement as a free will? So what is a part of organism (if not brain) which might be possible for psy* specialist to heal, is it an arm or a leg or a spine?