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Google finally beat my hands with a stick firmly enough to get me off Firefox. It was youtube. Not the ads -- I pay for premium -- but the fact that on FF they

Google finally beat my hands with a stick firmly enough to get me off Firefox. It was youtube. Not the ads -- I pay for premium -- but the fact that on FF they added an artificial 5s page load delay on firefox plus a bug has lingered for months where it always loads the last video, so you have to load every video twice. 12s/video is too much delay. Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

Timshel 3y ago
Sad when I had the 5s issue on FF I switched to Freetube. No surprise Google is doing those tactics if people react like you :( ...
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  Thanks for the recommendation, I'll give freetube a spin!
btreecat 3y ago
12s of your time is the cost of compromised morals? That seems p cheap and unfortunately indicative.
- taylodl 3y ago
  Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like? Morals my ass! I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by donations he made to support a ballot issue. So yeah, the Mozilla Foundation can go straight to hell with that shit. Good riddance!
  - theandrewbailey 3y ago
    What really moved me away from Firefox was using Brave search. I had been using DuckDuckGo since the Snowden leaks. When DuckDuckGo announced they would derank results if they thought it was Russian propaganda or disinformation, I moved to Brave search. A week or so later, I decided that Mozilla was too woke for my liking, and started using Brave's browser, too.
    - worksonmine 3y ago
      You seem to value integrity, are you aware that Brave browser replaced affiliate URLs with their own? So if you wanted to support someone and use their affiliate link they took the liberty to replace that. I wouldn't touch that spyware if I got paid.
  - croes 3y ago
    So you shoot yourself in the foot to teach Mozilla a lesson? We all lose if it's only Chrome.
    - taylodl 3y ago
      Last I looked Safari isn't Chrome. Also, anybody can use the Gecko web rendering engine, yet project after project after project has picked the WebKit or Blink rendering engines. And no, I haven't "shot myself in the foot" - when I replaced Firefox I found two great browsers: Brave and Vivaldi. The better question is why you continue to support a compromised organization?
      - glenstein 3y ago
        Just to make sure I'm following along, we were talking about how youtube includes a delay of several seconds if it detects a certain ad blocking browser extension. Firefox has that browser extension, and therefore Mozilla is a "compromised organization."
        taylodl 3y ago
        You violated YouTube's T's & C's and you're complaining about Google putting you in timeout for doing so. You steal from YouTube's content creators yet present Mozilla as the good guys. Have I summed that up accurately?
        glenstein 3y ago
        None of that was my question, so, no.
      - toyg 3y ago
        Gecko being a mess for embedded use pre-dates the Eich affair and Baker's payday. As for Mozilla being compromised - maybe, but it's still less compromised than advertisement companies, crypto companies, tax evaders, and their likes.
      - 3y ago
  - sgift 3y ago
    Brendan Eich was not forced out. He made the donation, he couldn't stand the heat of defending it, he left. Also, personal donations can make you unfit for some positions. Significant parts of the community felt his donation was not in line with the values they wanted to see represented. And since you didn't agree with them you decided to leave.
  - Timshel 3y ago
    Don't know, the pro LGBT stance of Mozilla/ Mozilla Foundation was not new in 2014 I believe. So not having leadership with opposing view does not seem strange to me; donation was done privately but it end-up being public enough. There's enough hypocrisy and pink-washing ...
    - taylodl 3y ago
      Is the Mozilla Foundation a software organization or a LGBTQ+ advocacy organization? If it's the former then what business do they have caring about Brandon Eich's personal donation to support a ballot initiative? If it's the latter then it's a conflict of interest and Brandon Eich should be asked to leave.
      - Timshel 3y ago
        At the moment they appear to want to be both. Might at times be at the detriment of Firefox but it's not like there is any alternative imo. So I don´t mind, it's not like if they remove their LGBT manifesto they suddenly will become relevant again and people will start to care about privacy. Might be that LGBT people care more about privacy and that this manifesto will help them stay relevant. And it's not like 2% is not a lot of people, TOR browser is certainly even less and it does not change the fact that I believe it's an highly important piece of software.
- ragnese 3y ago
  Even besides the compromised morals, just the fact that they know and understand that Google is intentionally doing nefarious shit to make us switch to Chrome and they just went along with it. I must just be a naturally defiant person, but in that situation, I would go far, FAR, out of my way to make sure I never let them "win" with that kind of bullshit tactic.
rumdz 3y ago
I have not experienced this. Could it be because I only browse the web with uBlock Origin enabled?
- southwesterly 3y ago
  Yes. It is exactly that.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    Hmm. Maybe I should try uBlock. I usually don't like adblockers -- both on principle, because I believe in paying for what I consume, and because they tend to subtly break a website and cause hours of headaches at least once a year -- but I don't like feeding the beast either. I'll look into this.
    - klabb3 3y ago
      Adblockers are highly configurable, you can simply disable them selectively in cases where you want to “support” those that sell your data to the highest bidder, if that’s your jam.. Your former comment indicates that you care about page load times, in which case an adblocker will typically reduce both UI yank and certainly network usage, in case you’re constrained.
      - jjoonathan 3y ago
        > you can simply disable them selectively Last time an ad-blocker caused a multi-hour debugging debacle, that turned out to not be the case. It was preventing me from logging into my bank even when it was supposedly disabled.
mroche 3y ago
Does this occur for you with an ad blocker active (like uBlock Origin)?
ape4 3y ago
Wasn't this 5s delay for Firefox only debunked
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  I lived it. Someone saying they "debunked" it doesn't change my experience.
ncts 3y ago
FYI there is Invidious.
mrgalaxy 3y ago
I use Chrome for Google's sites (Gmail, Youtube, etc) and Firefox for everything else. On Chrome you can install Youtube as an "app". That makes it easy for me to keep YT up and running while using Firefox for general browsing. Definitely recommend trying this approach out!

Timshel 3y ago

Sad when I had the 5s issue on FF I switched to Freetube. No surprise Google is doing those tactics if people react like you :( ...

jjoonathan 3y ago
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll give freetube a spin!

btreecat 3y ago

12s of your time is the cost of compromised morals? That seems p cheap and unfortunately indicative.

taylodl 3y ago
Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like? Morals my ass! I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by donations he made to support a ballot issue. So yeah, the Mozilla Foundation can go straight to hell with that shit. Good riddance!
- theandrewbailey 3y ago
  What really moved me away from Firefox was using Brave search. I had been using DuckDuckGo since the Snowden leaks. When DuckDuckGo announced they would derank results if they thought it was Russian propaganda or disinformation, I moved to Brave search. A week or so later, I decided that Mozilla was too woke for my liking, and started using Brave's browser, too.
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    You seem to value integrity, are you aware that Brave browser replaced affiliate URLs with their own? So if you wanted to support someone and use their affiliate link they took the liberty to replace that. I wouldn't touch that spyware if I got paid.
- croes 3y ago
  So you shoot yourself in the foot to teach Mozilla a lesson? We all lose if it's only Chrome.
  - taylodl 3y ago
    Last I looked Safari isn't Chrome. Also, anybody can use the Gecko web rendering engine, yet project after project after project has picked the WebKit or Blink rendering engines. And no, I haven't "shot myself in the foot" - when I replaced Firefox I found two great browsers: Brave and Vivaldi. The better question is why you continue to support a compromised organization?
    - glenstein 3y ago
      Just to make sure I'm following along, we were talking about how youtube includes a delay of several seconds if it detects a certain ad blocking browser extension. Firefox has that browser extension, and therefore Mozilla is a "compromised organization."
      - taylodl 3y ago
        You violated YouTube's T's & C's and you're complaining about Google putting you in timeout for doing so. You steal from YouTube's content creators yet present Mozilla as the good guys. Have I summed that up accurately?
        glenstein 3y ago
        None of that was my question, so, no.
    - toyg 3y ago
      Gecko being a mess for embedded use pre-dates the Eich affair and Baker's payday. As for Mozilla being compromised - maybe, but it's still less compromised than advertisement companies, crypto companies, tax evaders, and their likes.
    - 3y ago
- sgift 3y ago
  Brendan Eich was not forced out. He made the donation, he couldn't stand the heat of defending it, he left. Also, personal donations can make you unfit for some positions. Significant parts of the community felt his donation was not in line with the values they wanted to see represented. And since you didn't agree with them you decided to leave.
- Timshel 3y ago
  Don't know, the pro LGBT stance of Mozilla/ Mozilla Foundation was not new in 2014 I believe. So not having leadership with opposing view does not seem strange to me; donation was done privately but it end-up being public enough. There's enough hypocrisy and pink-washing ...
  - taylodl 3y ago
    Is the Mozilla Foundation a software organization or a LGBTQ+ advocacy organization? If it's the former then what business do they have caring about Brandon Eich's personal donation to support a ballot initiative? If it's the latter then it's a conflict of interest and Brandon Eich should be asked to leave.
    - Timshel 3y ago
      At the moment they appear to want to be both. Might at times be at the detriment of Firefox but it's not like there is any alternative imo. So I don´t mind, it's not like if they remove their LGBT manifesto they suddenly will become relevant again and people will start to care about privacy. Might be that LGBT people care more about privacy and that this manifesto will help them stay relevant. And it's not like 2% is not a lot of people, TOR browser is certainly even less and it does not change the fact that I believe it's an highly important piece of software.
ragnese 3y ago
Even besides the compromised morals, just the fact that they know and understand that Google is intentionally doing nefarious shit to make us switch to Chrome and they just went along with it. I must just be a naturally defiant person, but in that situation, I would go far, FAR, out of my way to make sure I never let them "win" with that kind of bullshit tactic.

rumdz 3y ago

I have not experienced this. Could it be because I only browse the web with uBlock Origin enabled?

southwesterly 3y ago
Yes. It is exactly that.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  Hmm. Maybe I should try uBlock. I usually don't like adblockers -- both on principle, because I believe in paying for what I consume, and because they tend to subtly break a website and cause hours of headaches at least once a year -- but I don't like feeding the beast either. I'll look into this.
  - klabb3 3y ago
    Adblockers are highly configurable, you can simply disable them selectively in cases where you want to “support” those that sell your data to the highest bidder, if that’s your jam.. Your former comment indicates that you care about page load times, in which case an adblocker will typically reduce both UI yank and certainly network usage, in case you’re constrained.
    - jjoonathan 3y ago
      > you can simply disable them selectively Last time an ad-blocker caused a multi-hour debugging debacle, that turned out to not be the case. It was preventing me from logging into my bank even when it was supposedly disabled.

mroche 3y ago

Does this occur for you with an ad blocker active (like uBlock Origin)?

ape4 3y ago

Wasn't this 5s delay for Firefox only debunked

jjoonathan 3y ago
I lived it. Someone saying they "debunked" it doesn't change my experience.

ncts 3y ago

FYI there is Invidious.

mrgalaxy 3y ago

I use Chrome for Google's sites (Gmail, Youtube, etc) and Firefox for everything else. On Chrome you can install Youtube as an "app". That makes it easy for me to keep YT up and running while using Firefox for general browsing. Definitely recommend trying this approach out!