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I dont like Brave because of the Crypto stuff. But they have way better communication around this with more simple tweets and posts of what they ACTUALLY do.

I dont like Brave because of the Crypto stuff. But they have way better communication around this with more simple tweets and posts of what they ACTUALLY do. What is even going on, on this page? So much coroprate speak I feel like I am reading my for-profit company intranet page.

this_user 3y ago
That might be the point. Disguise that they are mainly lining their own pockets and wasting money on pointless projects while completely neglecting their actual core product that has been losing market share for years.
closewith 3y ago
Agreed. Nothing could exemplify the distance between Mozilla and Firefox users more than this page.
onli 3y ago
You are right, the site is corporate gibberish. It links to one important thing, the 2022 financial statement, https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202.... According to a summary I read elsewhere it's actually good news: Almost the same total income while lowering the percentage that comes from google (a bit) and raising the percentage and total amount that comes from their own projects. Lots of money in the bank. Still paying way too much to management, but I didn't expect any improvement there anyway - is there even one success story out there about moving a project like this back to a real not-for-profit/reasonable governance, without bloated CEO etc salaries?
- xethos 3y ago
  > is there even one success story out there about moving a project like this back to a real not-for-profit/reasonable governance Wasn't Thunderbird under Mozilla manglement initially? And, after a few rough years post-spinoff, they're doing pretty well it seems [0]. To the point I'm looking forward to their '23 financial report - I'm happy to continue to donate, and seeing the rise as others join in is pretty nice :) [0] https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/ https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving...
  - onli 3y ago
    Oh, that's a close example I didn't think about at all. Maybe! Though I'm not sure what makes this subsidiary an inherently better structure?
    - xethos 3y ago
      Arguably I shouldn't have thought of it at all - I hadn't realized it was still under a subsidiary. Perhaps it's worse than not being a proper example too - seems Firefox's best hope is to be completely ignored and told to fend for themselves (like Thunderbird), instead of having the Mozilla Foundation pay any attention to it whatsoever.
zzzcsgo 3y ago
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this_user 3y ago

That might be the point. Disguise that they are mainly lining their own pockets and wasting money on pointless projects while completely neglecting their actual core product that has been losing market share for years.

closewith 3y ago

Agreed. Nothing could exemplify the distance between Mozilla and Firefox users more than this page.

onli 3y ago

You are right, the site is corporate gibberish. It links to one important thing, the 2022 financial statement, https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202.... According to a summary I read elsewhere it's actually good news: Almost the same total income while lowering the percentage that comes from google (a bit) and raising the percentage and total amount that comes from their own projects. Lots of money in the bank. Still paying way too much to management, but I didn't expect any improvement there anyway - is there even one success story out there about moving a project like this back to a real not-for-profit/reasonable governance, without bloated CEO etc salaries?

xethos 3y ago
> is there even one success story out there about moving a project like this back to a real not-for-profit/reasonable governance Wasn't Thunderbird under Mozilla manglement initially? And, after a few rough years post-spinoff, they're doing pretty well it seems [0]. To the point I'm looking forward to their '23 financial report - I'm happy to continue to donate, and seeing the rise as others join in is pretty nice :) [0] https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/ https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving...
- onli 3y ago
  Oh, that's a close example I didn't think about at all. Maybe! Though I'm not sure what makes this subsidiary an inherently better structure?
  - xethos 3y ago
    Arguably I shouldn't have thought of it at all - I hadn't realized it was still under a subsidiary. Perhaps it's worse than not being a proper example too - seems Firefox's best hope is to be completely ignored and told to fend for themselves (like Thunderbird), instead of having the Mozilla Foundation pay any attention to it whatsoever.

zzzcsgo 3y ago

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