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While what you say is true, it is irrelevant in the context of the discussion here about the popular misunderstanding of pierogi ruskie. This confusion is due t
by OfSanguineFire 3y ago
While what you say is true, it is irrelevant in the context of the discussion here about the popular misunderstanding of pierogi ruskie. This confusion is due to multiple factors than just “Russia stole”, including that the Ukrainian-language literary canon is centered around “Ukrainian” as the ethnonym, instead of making any attempt to preserve or revive the ethnonym “Rus”. While some Rusyns did maintain the ethnonym, other Rusyn speakers have preferred to identify with another ethnonym instead. If East Slavs other than Russians and Belarussians did not stand up for the ethnonym en masse, no surprise that peoples elsewhere no longer have the ability to distinguish.
- genman 3y agoAnd there is reason why they focus on "Ukrainian" (borderland etymologically btw) instead of "Russian" or even "Little Russian". The therm "Little Rus" was first used for Kyiv in sense of it being the center of Rus - Rus proper and "Greater Rus" meant the wider area of their influence. Russians (as we know them today) managed to turn this around and made it a derogatory term. Even more - the "Rus" became first to mean "Slavic Orthodox faith follower" and it covered multiple nations, even non-Slavic ones. The fact that Russians call themselves now by this name is not an accident.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoAgain, what you say is true, but irrelevant in the context of this discussion thread. You look like you are searching for reasons to get upset, and you ought to calm down, take a deep breath, and consider that some of your interlocutors here are not your enemies. You copy/pasted the same text in the reply to me as you did to another user in this thread. Please don’t do this, it is considered poor form on HN.
- genman 3y agoIf anything then this personal attack is an example of poor quality. I'm far being upset. Maybe you are? My comments try to explain why Ukrainians believe that Russians have stolen the "Rus" identity (from them) only for themselves. While your comment is not entirely wrong, it is not precise enough to explain the whole story.
- f6v 3y ago> My comments try to explain why Ukrainians believe that Russians have stolen the "Rus" identity (from them) only for themselves. Which is completely irrelevant to the thread. And, let’s be honest, is of little interest to anyone. This cultural appropriation bullshit has gotten old a long time ago already.
- genman 3y agoIt is completely relevant to the thread about Russia stealing Ukrainian "Rus" identity. This is not some European Americans dressing up like Native Americans "this is a cultural Appropriation" bullshit. This is the real thing where a national entity denies existence of another nation and is in process to genocide this nation while pretending to be historically the same nation they are attempting to genocide. Of course there are other forces in play, but this in one of the main themes from the very beginning. Of course it is more comfortable to downplay this by calling it old and irrelevant than do something about it.
- f6v 3y ago> This is the real thing where a national entity denies existence of another nation and is in process to genocide this nation Please complain to the UN. I don’t see how you’re doing anything useful here.
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- genman 3y agoBut it is clear that Polish pierogi ruskie can't be Russian dumplings because Russian dumplings are pelmeni that are dumplings with meat. But the origin of these dumplings is not Russian either, as the word comes from the Udmurt language.
- yurish 3y agoIt's not even true. Just a piece of modern Ukrainian propaganda.