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How is the competition catching up ?

CharlieDigital 3y ago
Check the recent comparison of charging rates of various makes: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html Dominated by the Koreans and Germans. Car and Driver had similar conclusions for their 10 Best annual rankings for the EV category which didn't include a Tesla. Tesla's charging network is king, but the actual automobiles themselves are no longer class leading.
- andrewinardeer 3y ago
  You have neglected to address one of the most poignant issues for a consumer: price.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  AFAICT, the test was without preconditioning, which is silly because preconditioning is crucial for getting fast charging speeds. It's also unrealistic, because preconditioning is pretty much automatic so I've never supercharged without preconditioning.
drakonka 3y ago
I don't know much about cars, but I seem to see lots of non-Tesla electric vehicles around Stockholm and Gothenburg to the point where anecdotally Tesla seems just a drop in the bucket of extensive options. I see Polestar, Kia, Nio, and some logos I don't even recognize on the streets regularly. So I just called to ask my partner who has experience in the automotive industry and knows way more about cars than me. Here's the general sentiment he expressed: * There are lots of competitive options here that are growing in popularity, and more companies are producing solid electric options that are easily competitive with Tesla. * One example was the Polestar 2, with which he said Polestar/Volvo can be said to have "caught up" almost 4 years ago. According to him Volvo's 100 years of experience with hardware helped make the Polestar a better vehicle hardware-wise, _but_ Tesla still has better software. He said it takes older manufacturers longer to catch up on that front. He said it depends on what the consumer values more: It would at this stage be reasonable to say the Polestar is better if your priority is the physical car itself. But if you value software, you might favor Tesla out of the two. * Some companies are innovating in a way that Tesla has not, such as Nio's swappable batteries. * There's lots of innovation and choice in the space, and where a few years ago Tesla seemed like the only option, there are other manufacturers who have "caught up" by now with their offerings by offering affordable, high-quality electric vehicles
throwaway4good 3y ago
Tesla is still completely dominant in Denmark: https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2023-07-fart-paa-disse-biler-er-mest-populaere-lige-nu https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2023-07-fart-paa-disse-b...

Check the recent comparison of charging rates of various makes: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html Dominated by the Koreans and Germans. Car and Driver had similar conclusions for their 10 Best annual rankings for the EV category which didn't include a Tesla. Tesla's charging network is king, but the actual automobiles themselves are no longer class leading.

andrewinardeer 3y ago
You have neglected to address one of the most poignant issues for a consumer: price.
bryanlarsen 3y ago
AFAICT, the test was without preconditioning, which is silly because preconditioning is crucial for getting fast charging speeds. It's also unrealistic, because preconditioning is pretty much automatic so I've never supercharged without preconditioning.

drakonka 3y ago

I don't know much about cars, but I seem to see lots of non-Tesla electric vehicles around Stockholm and Gothenburg to the point where anecdotally Tesla seems just a drop in the bucket of extensive options. I see Polestar, Kia, Nio, and some logos I don't even recognize on the streets regularly. So I just called to ask my partner who has experience in the automotive industry and knows way more about cars than me. Here's the general sentiment he expressed: * There are lots of competitive options here that are growing in popularity, and more companies are producing solid electric options that are easily competitive with Tesla. * One example was the Polestar 2, with which he said Polestar/Volvo can be said to have "caught up" almost 4 years ago. According to him Volvo's 100 years of experience with hardware helped make the Polestar a better vehicle hardware-wise, _but_ Tesla still has better software. He said it takes older manufacturers longer to catch up on that front. He said it depends on what the consumer values more: It would at this stage be reasonable to say the Polestar is better if your priority is the physical car itself. But if you value software, you might favor Tesla out of the two. * Some companies are innovating in a way that Tesla has not, such as Nio's swappable batteries. * There's lots of innovation and choice in the space, and where a few years ago Tesla seemed like the only option, there are other manufacturers who have "caught up" by now with their offerings by offering affordable, high-quality electric vehicles

throwaway4good 3y ago

Tesla is still completely dominant in Denmark: https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2023-07-fart-paa-disse-biler-er-mest-populaere-lige-nu https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2023-07-fart-paa-disse-b...