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It is well known companies that guarantee paying the minimum salary and pension for staff members immediately lower innovation - it happens all the time in Swed

It is well known companies that guarantee paying the minimum salary and pension for staff members immediately lower innovation - it happens all the time in Sweden, a country with a higher innovation index per capita than the US (according to World Bank/UN annual studies).

ernst_klim 3y ago
> innovation index This is a pretty meaningless cumulative metric which considers things like "Legal obstacles to foreign labour", "ICT priority for government", "Graduates in science", "Schools connected to the internet", "Telecom revenue", "Nature of competitive advantage" and many other, some of which are pretty hard to measure [1]. I wouldn't count such a metric as a measure of "volume of innovation". [1] https://www.innovendo.net/pdf/archiv/Global%20innovation%20index%202007%20-%20methodology.pdf https://www.innovendo.net/pdf/archiv/Global%20innovation%20i...
- eddtries 3y ago
  Sure, but other stats are useful too like "Unicorns per capita" being higher than any region except SF. Stockholm is surprisingly innovative - even the day to day surprises me with technical integrations between services. I used to live in Palo Alto & the difference between Stockholm & even the Bay Area is huge, minus the self-driving cars. My point is that having these Union collective bargaining agreements doesn't impact innovation in either # of successful startups or just general country innovation metrics.
  - ernst_klim 3y ago
    > Unicorns per capita > Stockholm is surprisingly innovative This is only when you do an intellectually dishonest trick of comparing Stockholm the city to american states capita-wise. If you compare Stockholm (0.8 unicorns per capita) to other large cities, it will lag behind NY (1.48 UpC), Boston (3.5), Austin (1.0), Denver (1.4) etc.
    - eddtries 3y ago
      > This is only when you do an intellectually dishonest trick of comparing Stockholm the city to american states capita-wise How? 30 in Stockholm, population of ~950,000 21 in Boston, population of ~650,000 7 in Denver, population of ~700,000 etc... I was going off of government info [0] but if you manually check you'll find it still works out albeit unicorns change pretty often at the moment. [0] https://start.stockholm/en/about-the-city-of-stockholm/how-the-city-is-governed/business/ https://start.stockholm/en/about-the-city-of-stockholm/how-t... edit: Okay Boston might have 31 [1], but while you're comparing leading cities to Stockholm you still have the remainder of the US which brings innovation rankings down. My overall point that Sweden has a decent level of innovation & startups (per capita) while maintaining a much better standard of living still stands IMO. [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/greater-boston-area-unicorn-startups https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/greater-boston-area-unicorn-s...
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        > you still have the remainder of the US It would be strange to compare a capital of one country to the countryside of another.
        eddtries 3y ago
        Keep moving the goal posts, it's fun

ernst_klim 3y ago

> innovation index This is a pretty meaningless cumulative metric which considers things like "Legal obstacles to foreign labour", "ICT priority for government", "Graduates in science", "Schools connected to the internet", "Telecom revenue", "Nature of competitive advantage" and many other, some of which are pretty hard to measure [1]. I wouldn't count such a metric as a measure of "volume of innovation". [1] https://www.innovendo.net/pdf/archiv/Global%20innovation%20index%202007%20-%20methodology.pdf https://www.innovendo.net/pdf/archiv/Global%20innovation%20i...

eddtries 3y ago
Sure, but other stats are useful too like "Unicorns per capita" being higher than any region except SF. Stockholm is surprisingly innovative - even the day to day surprises me with technical integrations between services. I used to live in Palo Alto & the difference between Stockholm & even the Bay Area is huge, minus the self-driving cars. My point is that having these Union collective bargaining agreements doesn't impact innovation in either # of successful startups or just general country innovation metrics.
- ernst_klim 3y ago
  > Unicorns per capita > Stockholm is surprisingly innovative This is only when you do an intellectually dishonest trick of comparing Stockholm the city to american states capita-wise. If you compare Stockholm (0.8 unicorns per capita) to other large cities, it will lag behind NY (1.48 UpC), Boston (3.5), Austin (1.0), Denver (1.4) etc.
  - eddtries 3y ago
    > This is only when you do an intellectually dishonest trick of comparing Stockholm the city to american states capita-wise How? 30 in Stockholm, population of ~950,000 21 in Boston, population of ~650,000 7 in Denver, population of ~700,000 etc... I was going off of government info [0] but if you manually check you'll find it still works out albeit unicorns change pretty often at the moment. [0] https://start.stockholm/en/about-the-city-of-stockholm/how-the-city-is-governed/business/ https://start.stockholm/en/about-the-city-of-stockholm/how-t... edit: Okay Boston might have 31 [1], but while you're comparing leading cities to Stockholm you still have the remainder of the US which brings innovation rankings down. My overall point that Sweden has a decent level of innovation & startups (per capita) while maintaining a much better standard of living still stands IMO. [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/greater-boston-area-unicorn-startups https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/greater-boston-area-unicorn-s...
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > you still have the remainder of the US It would be strange to compare a capital of one country to the countryside of another.
      - eddtries 3y ago
        Keep moving the goal posts, it's fun