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+1 from me, as article mention one of the small annoyances I have. My family comes from Red Ruthenia, region where ruskie pierogi comes from. Because of lingua

by xlii 3y ago

+1 from me, as article mention one of the small annoyances I have. My family comes from Red Ruthenia, region where ruskie pierogi comes from. Because of lingual characteristic they are usually linked to Russia (as mentioned in article) and so, with all the turmoil many restaurants decided to rename them: either to pierogi with potatoes and cheese or to galicean - as from Galicia, which is commonly perceived as Krakow (due to it being center of the region). Krakow doesn't have as good pierogis (but there are other things worth seeing and eating there though) and is half-the-Poland away so it feels to me somewhat like a takeover of a legacy and stings. So if you ever have a chance - go visit Lublin or even smaller cities like Chelm or Zamosc. Food is absolutely terrific there (which I guess is thanks to charnozem soil [1] in the region). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem

wolterlw 3y ago
Writing from the Ukrainian side of Galicia here, I would point out that Krakow is far from being the center of the region. Przemyśl or Zamosc lie much closer to the center if you include our side of Galicia where pierogis are widely popular as well. Matter of fact my family and many others here cook and eat them every week on Sunday, which I now hold as a near and dear tradition. There is something special about rolling and folding the dough together, boiling the pierogis, cooking the mushroom/onion sauce. Since this is a food cherished by both Poles and Ukrainians I find the name "galicean" a great fit as well, since it's a region shared between the two countries.
- xlii 3y ago
  You're completely correct when it comes to geography. I made a mental shortcut, as Polish Galicia Was concentrating around Krakow, which I suppose is an effect of a bias in which I’m not alone ;) In such Zamość region is completely removed from “Galician cuisine” mentioning Jewish, Austria, Krakow and Ukraine. Weird omission (but many regional to Krakow dishes are described as “Galician” which I suppose is a reason. So the misattribution risk is still there due to bias even though geographically it’s correct. I’d still rather preserve name, as the more to the west the worst the pierogi gets (which is a shame).
epolanski 3y ago
> My family comes from Red Ruthenia, region where ruskie pierogi comes from Is there any definitive proof behind that? My family too come from former Polish territories in Ukraine. It feels like in the last decade all of Slavs have been rushing into claiming as their own many traditions. I find it sad and unnecessary. In fact I suspect the dish to be popular to move of the former Kievan Rus' region and I know for sure potato and cheese vareniki to be very popular in Belarus and western Russia.
- xlii 3y ago
  There’s no more proof than any other dish. It’s so popular that no one bothered to have a “protected origin” certificate. Yet they predominantly are served in this region so having them being “ruskie” or “ruthenian” (a huge region) is much more fair than naming it Galician.

by xlii 3y ago

wolterlw 3y ago

Writing from the Ukrainian side of Galicia here, I would point out that Krakow is far from being the center of the region. Przemyśl or Zamosc lie much closer to the center if you include our side of Galicia where pierogis are widely popular as well. Matter of fact my family and many others here cook and eat them every week on Sunday, which I now hold as a near and dear tradition. There is something special about rolling and folding the dough together, boiling the pierogis, cooking the mushroom/onion sauce. Since this is a food cherished by both Poles and Ukrainians I find the name "galicean" a great fit as well, since it's a region shared between the two countries.

xlii 3y ago
You're completely correct when it comes to geography. I made a mental shortcut, as Polish Galicia Was concentrating around Krakow, which I suppose is an effect of a bias in which I’m not alone ;) In such Zamość region is completely removed from “Galician cuisine” mentioning Jewish, Austria, Krakow and Ukraine. Weird omission (but many regional to Krakow dishes are described as “Galician” which I suppose is a reason. So the misattribution risk is still there due to bias even though geographically it’s correct. I’d still rather preserve name, as the more to the west the worst the pierogi gets (which is a shame).

epolanski 3y ago

> My family comes from Red Ruthenia, region where ruskie pierogi comes from Is there any definitive proof behind that? My family too come from former Polish territories in Ukraine. It feels like in the last decade all of Slavs have been rushing into claiming as their own many traditions. I find it sad and unnecessary. In fact I suspect the dish to be popular to move of the former Kievan Rus' region and I know for sure potato and cheese vareniki to be very popular in Belarus and western Russia.

xlii 3y ago
There’s no more proof than any other dish. It’s so popular that no one bothered to have a “protected origin” certificate. Yet they predominantly are served in this region so having them being “ruskie” or “ruthenian” (a huge region) is much more fair than naming it Galician.