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Just disable the silent installation of suggested programs. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/68217-turn-off-automatic-installation-suggested-apps-windows-10

by thefz 3y ago

Just disable the silent installation of suggested programs. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/68217-turn-off-automatic-installation-suggested-apps-windows-10-a.html https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/68217-turn-off-automatic... Or use any software like ShutUp10.

snowram 3y ago
It is more insidious than that, as those programs are bundled alongside the driver in Windows Update.
- jowea 3y ago
  Damn wasn't Windows Update the "good" way to get printer drivers?
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    Did anyone ever port CUPS to windows? In my experience, most printers work with it OOTB on Linuxes because they want to support macs. I've had more luck plugging them into a linux box and doing network printing on windows machines.
    - lloeki 3y ago
      > because they want to support macs Well, CUPS has been owned by Apple for a while, "want to support" is an understatement.
  - jasonjayr 3y ago
    HP perhaps nagged them until they "fixed" that.
mikro2nd 3y ago
Or... just use any software like Linux or *BSD.
- borissk 3y ago
  What's the best Linux for novice users these days?
  - Lucasoato 3y ago
    Linux Mint isn't a bad option IMO.
  - tovej 3y ago
    I would suggest one of the big main trunks of the different distro flavors: debian, arch, or openSUSE (NOT mint, it's Linux with guide rails, but you've taken away most of the power user focus and still have most of the footguns) Debian is stable, but slow, I think of it as "vanilla linux". Most software everywhere is available as dpkg packages, either through apt or through download, and the packages in the repositories are well maintained. Arch is a rolling updates -based distro with a user repository, so you get even more packages, and you never have to do a separate major distro version update. Arch might require some setting up, but if you can follow a checklist, the installation should be rather easy (although, idk maybe there has been more work done on installation wizards lately) Alternatively, Arch is nice in that most of the derivatives are compatible with the main line, so here you could opt for e.g. Manjaro or Arcolinux, these give you nice preconfigurations for desktop environments etc., which you would have to setup yourself with vanilla arch. openSUSE is an opinionated and fully featured distro with a lot of really nice features. It's stable, the distro is backed up by an enterprise version (SUSE linux), and gets some of its stability and featureset from the money, requirements, and attention of an enterprise customer base
    - dijit 3y ago
      > (NOT mint, it's Linux with guide rails, but you've taken away most of the power user focus and still have most of the footguns) FWIW people said the same thing about Ubuntu. To be perfectly honest. Mint is a decent enough way to get started. Yes, it's easy to use, yes, that's a good thing. One very unfortunate thing with "easy to use" distros is that when it fails it's much harder to fix than ones with a steeper learning curve for some reason. But most people have this issue with Windows already. All things being equal: I would not suggest someone who wants to "get things done" immediately with a linux OS & coming from Windows: to use Arch or Debian. Most likely I would recommend something like Mint, because it just "gets out of the way" most of the time for the majority of users. This isn't a holy war, this is pragmatism, and giving people choice is not actually helping them adopt a linux that's best for them. Just use Mint until you find it has limitations you can't bear, then you'll have enough buy-in and understanding to jump to something that suits your needs. But making the jump in the first place is the most important part. Not what you jump to. Easy to use is valid.
b112 3y ago
"just". You mean well, but all of it should be legislated to off by default. I shouldn't have to scour third party forums, trying to find out what horrible next thing I have to disable, or be on top of, else my OS will cause me more issues, problems, etc. And it isn't even a one off. Surprise! Microsoft will add wonderful new ways to cause you issues. So it's almost like you have to be subscribed to some "how not to get screwed on your new computer and OS" list, and be right on top of it all. Which is the point really. Exhaust the end user in submission.

by thefz 3y ago

snowram 3y ago

It is more insidious than that, as those programs are bundled alongside the driver in Windows Update.

jowea 3y ago
Damn wasn't Windows Update the "good" way to get printer drivers?
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  Did anyone ever port CUPS to windows? In my experience, most printers work with it OOTB on Linuxes because they want to support macs. I've had more luck plugging them into a linux box and doing network printing on windows machines.
  - lloeki 3y ago
    > because they want to support macs Well, CUPS has been owned by Apple for a while, "want to support" is an understatement.
- jasonjayr 3y ago
  HP perhaps nagged them until they "fixed" that.

mikro2nd 3y ago

Or... just use any software like Linux or *BSD.

borissk 3y ago
What's the best Linux for novice users these days?
- Lucasoato 3y ago
  Linux Mint isn't a bad option IMO.
- tovej 3y ago
  I would suggest one of the big main trunks of the different distro flavors: debian, arch, or openSUSE (NOT mint, it's Linux with guide rails, but you've taken away most of the power user focus and still have most of the footguns) Debian is stable, but slow, I think of it as "vanilla linux". Most software everywhere is available as dpkg packages, either through apt or through download, and the packages in the repositories are well maintained. Arch is a rolling updates -based distro with a user repository, so you get even more packages, and you never have to do a separate major distro version update. Arch might require some setting up, but if you can follow a checklist, the installation should be rather easy (although, idk maybe there has been more work done on installation wizards lately) Alternatively, Arch is nice in that most of the derivatives are compatible with the main line, so here you could opt for e.g. Manjaro or Arcolinux, these give you nice preconfigurations for desktop environments etc., which you would have to setup yourself with vanilla arch. openSUSE is an opinionated and fully featured distro with a lot of really nice features. It's stable, the distro is backed up by an enterprise version (SUSE linux), and gets some of its stability and featureset from the money, requirements, and attention of an enterprise customer base
  - dijit 3y ago
    > (NOT mint, it's Linux with guide rails, but you've taken away most of the power user focus and still have most of the footguns) FWIW people said the same thing about Ubuntu. To be perfectly honest. Mint is a decent enough way to get started. Yes, it's easy to use, yes, that's a good thing. One very unfortunate thing with "easy to use" distros is that when it fails it's much harder to fix than ones with a steeper learning curve for some reason. But most people have this issue with Windows already. All things being equal: I would not suggest someone who wants to "get things done" immediately with a linux OS & coming from Windows: to use Arch or Debian. Most likely I would recommend something like Mint, because it just "gets out of the way" most of the time for the majority of users. This isn't a holy war, this is pragmatism, and giving people choice is not actually helping them adopt a linux that's best for them. Just use Mint until you find it has limitations you can't bear, then you'll have enough buy-in and understanding to jump to something that suits your needs. But making the jump in the first place is the most important part. Not what you jump to. Easy to use is valid.

b112 3y ago

"just". You mean well, but all of it should be legislated to off by default. I shouldn't have to scour third party forums, trying to find out what horrible next thing I have to disable, or be on top of, else my OS will cause me more issues, problems, etc. And it isn't even a one off. Surprise! Microsoft will add wonderful new ways to cause you issues. So it's almost like you have to be subscribed to some "how not to get screwed on your new computer and OS" list, and be right on top of it all. Which is the point really. Exhaust the end user in submission.