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The Logic of Political Survival predicts that any country with an already strong and healthy democracy which later discovers enormous natural resources will hav

The Logic of Political Survival predicts that any country with an already strong and healthy democracy which later discovers enormous natural resources will have a much better shot at overcoming the curse of resources than those where these trends are weaker. Selectorate theory is the real key here, and it's why Norway is probably going to knock it out of the park with its newly discovered phosphate deposits as well, which dwarf the oil profits several times over. The pre-discovery takeaway is to get that democratic process alive and healthy well ahead of time, no matter the circumstances. On a totally unrelated note, if anyone wants to help me land my first gig over in Oslo, I'm conviniently next-next door in Finland. Have EU passport, likes keeping a good thing going, willing to learn Norwegian (Fosse's plays are great) -- will travel.

klipt 3y ago
Even better than EU, you're part of the Nordic Passport Union. Which I believe means you can naturalize as Norwegian with just two years residency there.
- DeathArrow 3y ago
  If you already have an EU passport, what would be the advantage?
  - tonyedgecombe 3y ago
    Rules change (see Brexit).
  - vegardx 3y ago
    You don't have to apply for a work or residence permit, which means that you can stay in the country indefinitely. If you're from the EEA you have to exit Norway every 3 months, unless you qualify for a work and residence permit, basically, you have to have a job.
    - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
      Is the 3-month thing actually enforced in Norway on those who do not cause a nuisance or seek benefits? Not only is it rarely enforced in EU countries, but I vaguely recall hearing that there have been court judgements in some country or another that EU/EEA citizens who overstay there cannot be forced to leave.
eu-tech-tak 3y ago
>if anyone wants to help me land my first gig over in Oslo, I'm conviniently next-next door in Finland I made a website to help non-norwegian speakers find a tech/it/software job in Norway. All the job posts should be in English and only a few jobs require some Norwegian knowledge. If you know Java, .NET or JavaScript/Typescript there are a lot of well(-enough) paid jobs in Norway. https://nordictechjobs.com/jobs https://nordictechjobs.com/jobs
- hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
  Wonderful! Glad I got my reps in with C# and Azure last year.
- gwervc 3y ago
  Interesting but without salary ranges it's hard to know if it worth applying. What are typical bracket for software engineer as junior, 3 years, and 5 years of experience?
  - wafflemaker 3y ago
    You would have to find a junior or more experience eng and check his earnings online. As to earnings by industry, you can check them on the statistics bureau website: https://www.ssb.no/arbeid-og-lonn/lonn-og-arbeidskraftkostnader/artikler/her-kan-du-sjekke-lonna-i-ditt-yrke https://www.ssb.no/arbeid-og-lonn/lonn-og-arbeidskraftkostna...
  - eu-tech-tak 3y ago
    >What are typical bracket for software engineer as junior, 3 years, and 5 years of experience? For Oslo the salary range is something like this, a bit lower in smaller cities. These are the "typical" brackets, but you can definitively get a lot more: - 0 YOE - €45k-€60k - 3 YOE - €55k-€90k - 5 YOE - €70k-€150k and up A "median" salary in Oslo for a developer with 3-8 YOE is around €70k-80k. Anyone who has 5 YOE and actually asks for a higher salary can easily get 1 million NOK or €90k++. Expect a 32%-38% tax rate on your income. If you earn 1 million NOK (€85k) you will pay €27k in tax. Here is the tax calculator from the official tax office: https://skattekalkulator.app.skatteetaten.no/ https://skattekalkulator.app.skatteetaten.no/ EDIT: Here is an article in Norwegian about software developer salaries. It shows about the same numbers as mine, just a lower ceiling. https://witted.com/blog/software-freelancing/lonnsniva-for-utviklere-i-norge-2023 https://witted.com/blog/software-freelancing/lonnsniva-for-u...
timwaagh 3y ago
We can throw this 'logic of political survival' theory straight into the thrash. Because this is strictly the logic of n=1. Humans trying to see patterns where none exist. Norwegians did very well, because they did. Maybe they're special or lucky or blessed by Odin or whatever. Or because of some other more legitimate reason. But in any case it's not because it's an inevitable result of strong democracy. Counterexample: us Netherlanders didn't do very well with our once plentiful gas reserves. Which is why the resource curse is called Dutch disease. In spite of having at the time a century of democratic tradition, our prime minister chose to pump the wealth straight into the social system and not build a national wealth fund. Causing a decade of economic decline.

klipt 3y ago

Even better than EU, you're part of the Nordic Passport Union. Which I believe means you can naturalize as Norwegian with just two years residency there.

DeathArrow 3y ago
If you already have an EU passport, what would be the advantage?
- tonyedgecombe 3y ago
  Rules change (see Brexit).
- vegardx 3y ago
  You don't have to apply for a work or residence permit, which means that you can stay in the country indefinitely. If you're from the EEA you have to exit Norway every 3 months, unless you qualify for a work and residence permit, basically, you have to have a job.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    Is the 3-month thing actually enforced in Norway on those who do not cause a nuisance or seek benefits? Not only is it rarely enforced in EU countries, but I vaguely recall hearing that there have been court judgements in some country or another that EU/EEA citizens who overstay there cannot be forced to leave.

eu-tech-tak 3y ago

>if anyone wants to help me land my first gig over in Oslo, I'm conviniently next-next door in Finland I made a website to help non-norwegian speakers find a tech/it/software job in Norway. All the job posts should be in English and only a few jobs require some Norwegian knowledge. If you know Java, .NET or JavaScript/Typescript there are a lot of well(-enough) paid jobs in Norway. https://nordictechjobs.com/jobs https://nordictechjobs.com/jobs

hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
Wonderful! Glad I got my reps in with C# and Azure last year.
gwervc 3y ago
Interesting but without salary ranges it's hard to know if it worth applying. What are typical bracket for software engineer as junior, 3 years, and 5 years of experience?
- wafflemaker 3y ago
  You would have to find a junior or more experience eng and check his earnings online. As to earnings by industry, you can check them on the statistics bureau website: https://www.ssb.no/arbeid-og-lonn/lonn-og-arbeidskraftkostnader/artikler/her-kan-du-sjekke-lonna-i-ditt-yrke https://www.ssb.no/arbeid-og-lonn/lonn-og-arbeidskraftkostna...
- eu-tech-tak 3y ago
  >What are typical bracket for software engineer as junior, 3 years, and 5 years of experience? For Oslo the salary range is something like this, a bit lower in smaller cities. These are the "typical" brackets, but you can definitively get a lot more: - 0 YOE - €45k-€60k - 3 YOE - €55k-€90k - 5 YOE - €70k-€150k and up A "median" salary in Oslo for a developer with 3-8 YOE is around €70k-80k. Anyone who has 5 YOE and actually asks for a higher salary can easily get 1 million NOK or €90k++. Expect a 32%-38% tax rate on your income. If you earn 1 million NOK (€85k) you will pay €27k in tax. Here is the tax calculator from the official tax office: https://skattekalkulator.app.skatteetaten.no/ https://skattekalkulator.app.skatteetaten.no/ EDIT: Here is an article in Norwegian about software developer salaries. It shows about the same numbers as mine, just a lower ceiling. https://witted.com/blog/software-freelancing/lonnsniva-for-utviklere-i-norge-2023 https://witted.com/blog/software-freelancing/lonnsniva-for-u...

timwaagh 3y ago

We can throw this 'logic of political survival' theory straight into the thrash. Because this is strictly the logic of n=1. Humans trying to see patterns where none exist. Norwegians did very well, because they did. Maybe they're special or lucky or blessed by Odin or whatever. Or because of some other more legitimate reason. But in any case it's not because it's an inevitable result of strong democracy. Counterexample: us Netherlanders didn't do very well with our once plentiful gas reserves. Which is why the resource curse is called Dutch disease. In spite of having at the time a century of democratic tradition, our prime minister chose to pump the wealth straight into the social system and not build a national wealth fund. Causing a decade of economic decline.