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I see a lot of resentment here for this software. But it’s perfectly possible to make your own implementation of the bitcoin protocol. Like Luke, who made Knot

I see a lot of resentment here for this software. But it’s perfectly possible to make your own implementation of the bitcoin protocol. Like Luke, who made Knots. And other versions exist too. The real pain comes from the choices in the past to keep bitcoin inclusive. Smaller blocks mean the ability to download and verify on simple cheap hardware. Have a look at ETH, SOL or EOS. What kind of server park do you need to run those chains?

patriksvensson 3y ago
Stop spreading FUD about Ethereum (SOL and EOS, valid). Ethereum shares the same philosophy of ensuring that clients are capable of being used on lower end hardware to ensure diversity of nodes. Ethereum nodes can and are being run on Raspberry PI's + SSD drives. You can even validate the Ethereum network on a Raspberry PI. In Ethereum you "validate" instead of "mine" like in bitcoin, this is what keeps the network secure and validating is much more power efficient (99.995% less power use than Bitcoin for). See Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work. My question to you is: Look at BTC. What kind of specialized, expensive, environmentally unfriendly, ASICS do you need to secure the chain?
kinakomochidayo 3y ago
It’s actually pretty easy to run Ethereum nodes. Also, statelessness and verkle trees will enable Ethereum to be validated on cell phones eventually. That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. Also, funny to see Bitcoiners talk about running censoring client implementations for Ordinals.
- josu 3y ago
  >That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. ??? That has been possible for years: https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore
- tromp 3y ago
  > That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. It looks like that is going to happen with https://zerosync.org/ https://zerosync.org/ steadily progressing...
0x64 3y ago
Ethereum's clients (execution and consensus) are only really concerned about a sufficiently fast SSD, more specifically in terms of random IO. Any mid-tier SSD should work though: stick it to a Raspberry Pi (or a Rock 5B) and you'll be validating on a low-power arm board. Or grab a used micro-PC/NUC, as most people running home nodes do.
xinayder 3y ago
The only resentment I have with Bitcoin and any other crypto is that they try to be "decentralized", but the moment the developers of your main node/wallet app are under a payroll, funded by a business, crypto is no longer decentralized. Bitcoin Core, long ago, was "purchased" by Blockstream and they started pushing their own agenda for the protocol, and Luke Jr is one of the devs on their payroll. Yes, of course, you can create your own wallet or node but unless 51% of the network uses it, your protocol changes will never reach the whole network.
- throwayaw84329 3y ago
  It's blatantly false that "Bitcoin Core was purchased by Blockstream". It's absolutely not the case. It's more like a conspiracy theory that keeps getting pushed into Bitcoin-related threads at Hacker news (maybe to tilt future analysis?) If we take a look at the past month of commits from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulse/monthly https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulse/monthly, the top ten authors are: - MarcoFalke - fanquake - hebasto - ajtowns - glozow - ismaelsaadeq - TheCharlatan - instagibbs - brunoerg - mzumsande None of them works at Blockstream. When you say "long ago", it likely points to the "Bitcoin Cash" incident. Almost every person that knows of Bitcoin Cash thinks that Bitcoin is a scam; almost everyone else laughs at the idea of Bitcoin Cash working. Long ago, that was also the case: https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61blfg/blockstream_vs_core_does_blockstream_really/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61blfg/blockstream... (edited for format)
  - RustyRussell 3y ago
    instagibbs has worked for Blockstream in the past, but that's all I can see.
- RustyRussell 3y ago
  This is blatantly false. And Luke never worked for us. (I am the longest serving engineer at Blockstream).

patriksvensson 3y ago

Stop spreading FUD about Ethereum (SOL and EOS, valid). Ethereum shares the same philosophy of ensuring that clients are capable of being used on lower end hardware to ensure diversity of nodes. Ethereum nodes can and are being run on Raspberry PI's + SSD drives. You can even validate the Ethereum network on a Raspberry PI. In Ethereum you "validate" instead of "mine" like in bitcoin, this is what keeps the network secure and validating is much more power efficient (99.995% less power use than Bitcoin for). See Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work. My question to you is: Look at BTC. What kind of specialized, expensive, environmentally unfriendly, ASICS do you need to secure the chain?

kinakomochidayo 3y ago

It’s actually pretty easy to run Ethereum nodes. Also, statelessness and verkle trees will enable Ethereum to be validated on cell phones eventually. That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. Also, funny to see Bitcoiners talk about running censoring client implementations for Ordinals.

josu 3y ago
>That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. ??? That has been possible for years: https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore
tromp 3y ago
> That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. It looks like that is going to happen with https://zerosync.org/ https://zerosync.org/ steadily progressing...

0x64 3y ago

Ethereum's clients (execution and consensus) are only really concerned about a sufficiently fast SSD, more specifically in terms of random IO. Any mid-tier SSD should work though: stick it to a Raspberry Pi (or a Rock 5B) and you'll be validating on a low-power arm board. Or grab a used micro-PC/NUC, as most people running home nodes do.

xinayder 3y ago

The only resentment I have with Bitcoin and any other crypto is that they try to be "decentralized", but the moment the developers of your main node/wallet app are under a payroll, funded by a business, crypto is no longer decentralized. Bitcoin Core, long ago, was "purchased" by Blockstream and they started pushing their own agenda for the protocol, and Luke Jr is one of the devs on their payroll. Yes, of course, you can create your own wallet or node but unless 51% of the network uses it, your protocol changes will never reach the whole network.

throwayaw84329 3y ago
It's blatantly false that "Bitcoin Core was purchased by Blockstream". It's absolutely not the case. It's more like a conspiracy theory that keeps getting pushed into Bitcoin-related threads at Hacker news (maybe to tilt future analysis?) If we take a look at the past month of commits from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulse/monthly https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulse/monthly, the top ten authors are: - MarcoFalke - fanquake - hebasto - ajtowns - glozow - ismaelsaadeq - TheCharlatan - instagibbs - brunoerg - mzumsande None of them works at Blockstream. When you say "long ago", it likely points to the "Bitcoin Cash" incident. Almost every person that knows of Bitcoin Cash thinks that Bitcoin is a scam; almost everyone else laughs at the idea of Bitcoin Cash working. Long ago, that was also the case: https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61blfg/blockstream_vs_core_does_blockstream_really/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61blfg/blockstream... (edited for format)
- RustyRussell 3y ago
  instagibbs has worked for Blockstream in the past, but that's all I can see.
RustyRussell 3y ago
This is blatantly false. And Luke never worked for us. (I am the longest serving engineer at Blockstream).