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Wow, that's a lot of expensive trouble to go through to cover up. I wonder what the penalties would be otherwise - I'm sure there is some kind of code it broke

Wow, that's a lot of expensive trouble to go through to cover up. I wonder what the penalties would be otherwise - I'm sure there is some kind of code it broke but it's not obviously illegal. It's like me crashing my car on purpose.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> sure there is some kind of code it broke but it's not obviously illegal It's very illegal. Part 91 § 91.13 careless or reckless operation [1] and § 91.15 dropping objects [2]. (I'm studying for my pilot's license.) Also, until SCOTUS rules otherwise, agency rules carry the strength of statute. [1] https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.13 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.13 [2] https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.15 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.15
- foobarian 3y ago
  Sure, but is it a felony-20-years-in-a-FPITA-prison illegal, or a giant-fine-and-revocation-of-pilot-license illegal? :-)
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > is it a felony-20-years-in-a-FPITA-prison illegal, or a giant-fine-and-revocation-of-pilot-license illegal Probably the latter unless someone gets hurt. (Agree with you that this was a dumb cover-up. Particularly when he seems to have done the cover up before posting the video?)
    - fbdab103 3y ago
      When does it become a cover-up vs "oopsie, didn't know"? If he had dismantled the plane before the FAA knew about the crash, would that still qualify as destroying evidence?
      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        Chopping up the plane and distributing the pieces in assorted different regular trash bins over time sounds like mens rea to me
      - kosievdmerwe 3y ago
        As far as I understand in the aviation world the expectation is that you tell the FAA after any incident, nevermind crash, and presumably wait for their guidance on the wreck.
  - heyoni 3y ago
    Some forms of reckless driving are considered felonies and can land you in prison, I feel like it would or should be worse with an airplane.
  - Freak_NL 3y ago
    > FPITA-prison Rape isn't funny. You might want to consider not using that slang term.
throwaway2037 3y ago
I'm pretty sure it is legal in the United States to buy a car and drive it uninsured on your own private property... and drive it into a brick wall at high speed. There is a YouTuber who is basically doing this now: Buying expensive cars and wrecking them on his private land. (I forget his name, but US-based guy. One video was him wrecking a highly customized Mercedes G Wagon.)
- singleshot_ 3y ago
  If you google the search terms "talladega big one" you will see a great variety of uninsured, expensive cars being driven on private property and aggressively junked ten or twenty at a time. This is most certainly not illegal without additional bad conduct.
- rcpt 3y ago
  Okay but in the US cars are generally above the law in many ways
- bradfox2 3y ago
  Whistlindiesel
fennecfoxy 3y ago
How can you think that this isn't obviously illegal lmao.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> sure there is some kind of code it broke but it's not obviously illegal It's very illegal. Part 91 § 91.13 careless or reckless operation [1] and § 91.15 dropping objects [2]. (I'm studying for my pilot's license.) Also, until SCOTUS rules otherwise, agency rules carry the strength of statute. [1] https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.13 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.13 [2] https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.15 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.15

foobarian 3y ago
Sure, but is it a felony-20-years-in-a-FPITA-prison illegal, or a giant-fine-and-revocation-of-pilot-license illegal? :-)
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > is it a felony-20-years-in-a-FPITA-prison illegal, or a giant-fine-and-revocation-of-pilot-license illegal Probably the latter unless someone gets hurt. (Agree with you that this was a dumb cover-up. Particularly when he seems to have done the cover up before posting the video?)
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    When does it become a cover-up vs "oopsie, didn't know"? If he had dismantled the plane before the FAA knew about the crash, would that still qualify as destroying evidence?
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      Chopping up the plane and distributing the pieces in assorted different regular trash bins over time sounds like mens rea to me
    - kosievdmerwe 3y ago
      As far as I understand in the aviation world the expectation is that you tell the FAA after any incident, nevermind crash, and presumably wait for their guidance on the wreck.
- heyoni 3y ago
  Some forms of reckless driving are considered felonies and can land you in prison, I feel like it would or should be worse with an airplane.
- Freak_NL 3y ago
  > FPITA-prison Rape isn't funny. You might want to consider not using that slang term.

throwaway2037 3y ago

I'm pretty sure it is legal in the United States to buy a car and drive it uninsured on your own private property... and drive it into a brick wall at high speed. There is a YouTuber who is basically doing this now: Buying expensive cars and wrecking them on his private land. (I forget his name, but US-based guy. One video was him wrecking a highly customized Mercedes G Wagon.)

singleshot_ 3y ago
If you google the search terms "talladega big one" you will see a great variety of uninsured, expensive cars being driven on private property and aggressively junked ten or twenty at a time. This is most certainly not illegal without additional bad conduct.
rcpt 3y ago
Okay but in the US cars are generally above the law in many ways
bradfox2 3y ago
Whistlindiesel

fennecfoxy 3y ago

How can you think that this isn't obviously illegal lmao.