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A decade is still a really short lifespan for a TV

by ptmcc 3y ago

andersa 3y ago
...it is? I buy a new TV every two to three years as notably better tech comes out.
- Night_Thastus 3y ago
  I definitely think notably better is fairly subjective here. I have a 4K OLED from 2018. Since then, I think the only notable improvement in the models from the same manufacturer is maybe enhanced-ARC? That is a neat feature, but not sufficient imo. Maybe a 120Hz refresh rate, but very little content even uses 60, let along 120 - at least in the cinema and TV space.
- andybak 3y ago
  We probably have different definitions of "notably better"
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jiggawatts 3y ago
Is it though? 2004 is the first year I remember watching a HD widescreen TV show (Lost). There were a handful of test clips and the like earlier, but they were a rare thing. E.g.: there's a HD video taken of the aftermath of 9/11 because the operator was just learning to use this (at the time) brand new technology. That lasted about a decade, and then 4K become a thing around the 2013-2014 timeframe. I got a Sony 4K TV in late 2013 and a Dell 4K monitor in 2014. However, both of those were standard dynamic range, albeit with a fairly "wide" colour gamut. I got my first OLED HDR display in 2021, and an OLED HDR TV in 2022. In other words, every "generation" of television technologies has lasted about a decade before being superseded by something significantly newer and better. Display technology still has some ways to go. No current consumer panel reproduces 100% of the Rec.2020 colour gamut. Similarly, there are no consumer panels that can reproduce the full HDR10 or Dolby Vision brightness range of up to 10,000 nits. There are 8K displays that are close to that target spec, but they're either one-off experimental models or more expensive than a luxury car. A decade from now, around 2033 mark, I full expect something like VR technology to have replaced TVs for many people. Apple's new headset (available next year!) will set a new quality bar that no traditional TV can ever hope to match, such as an extremely wide field of view, stereo, and very bright HDR in combination. Sure, they're expensive now, but after a decade of further development? They'll be amazing and cheap.
- RDaneel0livaw 3y ago
  In your future, do households with more than one person exist? Because no matter what the tech is that'll never happen. We have a family, and after dinner if we want to watch a sitcom and laugh, we ... what .... go put on our own individual headsets and lay in bed? What happens on Sunday and it's icy outside, and we want to put a james bond movie on with the booming sound, have a glass of wine while the kids make hot chocolate, how do we do that? If I'm a single dude with disposable income I can see the vr headset with insane quality being pretty awesome, but for ANY kind of household with a family or roommates, I just can't fathom that kind of dystopian nightmare.
  - eru 3y ago
    The comment you replied to wisely stated 'for many people', and not 'for all people'. You are likely right about your specific use cases. Though you might also want to see how early on some people predicted that TV would never take off, because families just didn't have the time for it. We don't have a TV at home, and we would just do different activities in the situations you described. (But, yes, those activities in these situations would likely not include hanging out with headsets on.)
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    Teenage kids will likely want to play video games or watch their own thing. Many young people live by themselves and can't afford a "huge" TV. Meanwhile VR will give them a virtual TV as big as they like. Another potential future technology that might obsolete the current 55-85 inch typical TV sizes is "OLED wallpaper", or something similar that would allow wall-sized televisions. Even before the 2030s I expect something like quantum nanorods to replace OLED panels, potentially allowing up to 10,000 nits in an affordable panel that doesn't suffer from burn-in. On another front, I've noticed a lot more people watching something like TikTok, YouTube, or Netflix on their hand-held devices instead of traditional TV. I can picture a future super-thin, super-light Apple iPad with an OLED HDR display becoming very popular, especially for people on a budget that can't afford a huge TV.
- fomine3 3y ago
  We're outlier in the TV market. 95% of buyer don't care Rec.2020 and continue using TV until it broken (maybe 80%?). OLED isn't for who use it for a decade.

A decade is still a really short lifespan for a TV

by ptmcc 3y ago

A decade is still a really short lifespan for a TV

andersa 3y ago

...it is? I buy a new TV every two to three years as notably better tech comes out.

Night_Thastus 3y ago
I definitely think notably better is fairly subjective here. I have a 4K OLED from 2018. Since then, I think the only notable improvement in the models from the same manufacturer is maybe enhanced-ARC? That is a neat feature, but not sufficient imo. Maybe a 120Hz refresh rate, but very little content even uses 60, let along 120 - at least in the cinema and TV space.
andybak 3y ago
We probably have different definitions of "notably better"
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jiggawatts 3y ago

Is it though? 2004 is the first year I remember watching a HD widescreen TV show (Lost). There were a handful of test clips and the like earlier, but they were a rare thing. E.g.: there's a HD video taken of the aftermath of 9/11 because the operator was just learning to use this (at the time) brand new technology. That lasted about a decade, and then 4K become a thing around the 2013-2014 timeframe. I got a Sony 4K TV in late 2013 and a Dell 4K monitor in 2014. However, both of those were standard dynamic range, albeit with a fairly "wide" colour gamut. I got my first OLED HDR display in 2021, and an OLED HDR TV in 2022. In other words, every "generation" of television technologies has lasted about a decade before being superseded by something significantly newer and better. Display technology still has some ways to go. No current consumer panel reproduces 100% of the Rec.2020 colour gamut. Similarly, there are no consumer panels that can reproduce the full HDR10 or Dolby Vision brightness range of up to 10,000 nits. There are 8K displays that are close to that target spec, but they're either one-off experimental models or more expensive than a luxury car. A decade from now, around 2033 mark, I full expect something like VR technology to have replaced TVs for many people. Apple's new headset (available next year!) will set a new quality bar that no traditional TV can ever hope to match, such as an extremely wide field of view, stereo, and very bright HDR in combination. Sure, they're expensive now, but after a decade of further development? They'll be amazing and cheap.

RDaneel0livaw 3y ago
In your future, do households with more than one person exist? Because no matter what the tech is that'll never happen. We have a family, and after dinner if we want to watch a sitcom and laugh, we ... what .... go put on our own individual headsets and lay in bed? What happens on Sunday and it's icy outside, and we want to put a james bond movie on with the booming sound, have a glass of wine while the kids make hot chocolate, how do we do that? If I'm a single dude with disposable income I can see the vr headset with insane quality being pretty awesome, but for ANY kind of household with a family or roommates, I just can't fathom that kind of dystopian nightmare.
- eru 3y ago
  The comment you replied to wisely stated 'for many people', and not 'for all people'. You are likely right about your specific use cases. Though you might also want to see how early on some people predicted that TV would never take off, because families just didn't have the time for it. We don't have a TV at home, and we would just do different activities in the situations you described. (But, yes, those activities in these situations would likely not include hanging out with headsets on.)
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Teenage kids will likely want to play video games or watch their own thing. Many young people live by themselves and can't afford a "huge" TV. Meanwhile VR will give them a virtual TV as big as they like. Another potential future technology that might obsolete the current 55-85 inch typical TV sizes is "OLED wallpaper", or something similar that would allow wall-sized televisions. Even before the 2030s I expect something like quantum nanorods to replace OLED panels, potentially allowing up to 10,000 nits in an affordable panel that doesn't suffer from burn-in. On another front, I've noticed a lot more people watching something like TikTok, YouTube, or Netflix on their hand-held devices instead of traditional TV. I can picture a future super-thin, super-light Apple iPad with an OLED HDR display becoming very popular, especially for people on a budget that can't afford a huge TV.
fomine3 3y ago
We're outlier in the TV market. 95% of buyer don't care Rec.2020 and continue using TV until it broken (maybe 80%?). OLED isn't for who use it for a decade.