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No one can force you to feel shame about those things. That's entirely on you.

brnt 3y ago
That's not how human social interaction works though. Monkey see, monkey do. Some more than others. It is a psychological condition if you truly are immune to peer pressure.
- ASalazarMX 3y ago
  Fortunately we can go beyond monkey.
  - brnt 3y ago
    But not that much, and not everyone the same amount.
  - eternityforest 3y ago
    With training, yes, but not everyone is lucky enough to learn before they have a permanent injury or an addiction, or they are broke and homelessness and have a criminal record. Some of these dangers we actively encourage, like high school sports, where 17yos will list off their fairly major injuries, this is considered normal, and the only realistic way to prevent those injuries would be to quit, because playing in a way that avoids injury is not what's expected.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  > It is a psychological condition if you truly are immune to peer pressure. By that criteria, I must be a psychopath. Integrity is not a psychological condition. Lack of it is. Yours is the logic that leads to people "just following orders." Nazi see, Nazi do! In this case, it's not a culture of avoiding PPE. That's propaganda from shitty contracting firms trying to save a few bucks by not providing PPE in the first place. The illegal laborers they hire to do the work aren't ever in a position to complain.
  - brnt 3y ago
    Nazi Germany did happen, didnt it? You are making it into a value judgement. That can only cloud observation of our species. A better question would be: how are individuals reinforced in overcoming our limitations?
rmbyrro 3y ago
I think you may be missing the point, which is that it's strange that so many people make fun of careful safety.
- mrtesthah 3y ago
  It's not a stretch to go from making fun of someone for using workplace safety equipment to making fun of them for wearing a seatbelt. If I had to work with these people I'd ridicule them right back and take no shit.
- mrtesthah 3y ago
  And yes, of course it's strange. There are a lot of things other things that are extremely strange about our society: for example, the expectation that everyone drive an individual car to be able to get anywhere, the ubiquitous use of non-biodegradable plastic packaging, the idea that housing is a commodity whose investment returns take precedence over the basic human need for shelter. If you go against these things you will look strange in comparison to others, but it is nonetheless the right thing to do.

brnt 3y ago

That's not how human social interaction works though. Monkey see, monkey do. Some more than others. It is a psychological condition if you truly are immune to peer pressure.

ASalazarMX 3y ago
Fortunately we can go beyond monkey.
- brnt 3y ago
  But not that much, and not everyone the same amount.
- eternityforest 3y ago
  With training, yes, but not everyone is lucky enough to learn before they have a permanent injury or an addiction, or they are broke and homelessness and have a criminal record. Some of these dangers we actively encourage, like high school sports, where 17yos will list off their fairly major injuries, this is considered normal, and the only realistic way to prevent those injuries would be to quit, because playing in a way that avoids injury is not what's expected.
jstarfish 3y ago
> It is a psychological condition if you truly are immune to peer pressure. By that criteria, I must be a psychopath. Integrity is not a psychological condition. Lack of it is. Yours is the logic that leads to people "just following orders." Nazi see, Nazi do! In this case, it's not a culture of avoiding PPE. That's propaganda from shitty contracting firms trying to save a few bucks by not providing PPE in the first place. The illegal laborers they hire to do the work aren't ever in a position to complain.
- brnt 3y ago
  Nazi Germany did happen, didnt it? You are making it into a value judgement. That can only cloud observation of our species. A better question would be: how are individuals reinforced in overcoming our limitations?

rmbyrro 3y ago

I think you may be missing the point, which is that it's strange that so many people make fun of careful safety.

mrtesthah 3y ago
It's not a stretch to go from making fun of someone for using workplace safety equipment to making fun of them for wearing a seatbelt. If I had to work with these people I'd ridicule them right back and take no shit.
mrtesthah 3y ago
And yes, of course it's strange. There are a lot of things other things that are extremely strange about our society: for example, the expectation that everyone drive an individual car to be able to get anywhere, the ubiquitous use of non-biodegradable plastic packaging, the idea that housing is a commodity whose investment returns take precedence over the basic human need for shelter. If you go against these things you will look strange in comparison to others, but it is nonetheless the right thing to do.