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That is kinda tricky because >Tech legal expert Eric Goldman wrote that a victory for the plaintiff could be considered "a dangerous ruling for the spy cam ind

That is kinda tricky because >Tech legal expert Eric Goldman wrote that a victory for the plaintiff could be considered "a dangerous ruling for the spy cam industry and for Amazon," because "the court’s analysis could indicate that all surreptitious hook cameras are categorically illegal to sell." That could prevent completely legal uses of cameras designed to look like clothes hooks, Goldman wrote, such as hypothetical in-home surveillance uses. How creative the amazon team has to be when reviewing the products. Do they have a duty that using the products in ways the seller has not written could achieve those goals. Personally I don't see non creepy uses for a bathroom towel camera. But in this case it is obvious that the one that must be sued is the person that used the camera. And suing amazon is obviously in bad faith and a money grab.

jacquesm 3y ago
It's pretty easy actually: If a product has more creepy usages than that it has contrived good usages you should probably err on the side of caution.
- pixl97 3y ago
  No, this is a pretty poor argument. Simply put anyone coming after your product can submit a completely unrealistic set of abuses they could do with your product whereas your products normal uses may only cover a few particular tasks. If you (the state) doesn't want a product on Amazon, you should be required to show meaningful evidence the product can both be harmful and is against the law to sell in your jurisdiction.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Yes, but that pretty much proves the person is not acting in good faith. normal use of spycam -> spying. normal use of beer bottle -> holding beer.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      > normal use of beer bottle -> holding beer. That's actually a poor argument if you want to get that level to detail. Bottles are just bottles. The label and fluid you put in define if it's a beer bottle. The same bottle could be a soda bottle. Again, coming back to cameras this will get problematic really fast. What if I just make a very small camera "for integration into other devices". I mean, sounds perfectly legal. But if one of those devices is a clothes hook at which point to either of the products become illegal?
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        I think you just like arguing for arguing's sake so I will bow out here.
withinboredom 3y ago
If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it probably isn't a lemon. I don't think you have to be too creative here. I don't think it is reasonable for any spy cam to be legal, since the majority of the time you'll be recording people without consent (otherwise, what is the point in getting one).

jacquesm 3y ago

It's pretty easy actually: If a product has more creepy usages than that it has contrived good usages you should probably err on the side of caution.

pixl97 3y ago
No, this is a pretty poor argument. Simply put anyone coming after your product can submit a completely unrealistic set of abuses they could do with your product whereas your products normal uses may only cover a few particular tasks. If you (the state) doesn't want a product on Amazon, you should be required to show meaningful evidence the product can both be harmful and is against the law to sell in your jurisdiction.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Yes, but that pretty much proves the person is not acting in good faith. normal use of spycam -> spying. normal use of beer bottle -> holding beer.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    > normal use of beer bottle -> holding beer. That's actually a poor argument if you want to get that level to detail. Bottles are just bottles. The label and fluid you put in define if it's a beer bottle. The same bottle could be a soda bottle. Again, coming back to cameras this will get problematic really fast. What if I just make a very small camera "for integration into other devices". I mean, sounds perfectly legal. But if one of those devices is a clothes hook at which point to either of the products become illegal?
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      I think you just like arguing for arguing's sake so I will bow out here.

withinboredom 3y ago

If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it probably isn't a lemon. I don't think you have to be too creative here. I don't think it is reasonable for any spy cam to be legal, since the majority of the time you'll be recording people without consent (otherwise, what is the point in getting one).