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You can hard disagree, but there are polls showing pretty wide spread support for specifically Hamas among students especially at elite UCs. The goals of Hamas

by qaq 3y ago

You can hard disagree, but there are polls showing pretty wide spread support for specifically Hamas among students especially at elite UCs. The goals of Hamas are articulated pretty clearly so as comforting as it is to pretend they don't mean it in the bad way a very decent percentage literally do mean it. If you honestly believe they don't mean it do a fun experiment stand with say flag of Israel on UC Berkley or UC LA campus and than with flag of Hamas or Isis see the reaction you get. Or not even Israel flag just US flag.

drawkward 3y ago
You went from >There are polls showing support specifically for Hamas not for Palestinian liberation cause among students. to >there are polls showing pretty wide spread support for specifically Hamas among students especially at elite UCs. Cite some evidence. I have found one poll that addresses the question of Hamas support among college students, and it does not support your claims at all. Furthermore, it was an online survey, which typically suffer from pretty poor methodology and selection bias, so I think the poll itself[1] should be ignored, despite the fact that it undermines your argument. The relevant question and response (n=609): >How much do you sympathize with… >Israeli civilians: A lot (49%) A little (23%) Not sure (16%) Not Much (9%) Not at all (4%) >Palestinian civilians: A lot (65%) A little (17%) Not sure (13%) Not Much (3%) Not at all (2%) >Israeli government: A lot (9%) A little (17%) Not sure (27%) Not Much (22%) Not at all (24%) >Hamas: A lot (9%) A little (13%) Not sure (36%) Not Much (13%) Not at all (29%) This does not show "wide spread support" for Hamas. It shows less support for Hamas than for the Israeli government. The overwhelming majority are against Hamas, by a roughly 3-to-1 margin. It's hard to even claim that this is a representative sample, due to its online nature. What evidence do you bring? [1] https://www.intelligent.com/1-in-5-college-students-sympathize-with-hamas/ https://www.intelligent.com/1-in-5-college-students-sympathi...
- qaq 3y ago
  You just posted it. 22% is widespread. If we are talking about people chanting slogan at a rally the 25% that support Israeli government obviously did not take part in it. So of those chanting it at a rally at the very least 30% literally mean it and up to half mostly mean it. It's also not far fetched that the more militant you are the more likely you to attend a rally in the first place. So those numbers get skewed higher. There is obvious correlation between how far left you and how likely you are to support Hamas. So in a place like UC Berkley support obviously scewes higher. But even if we ignore the scew if some university had student body where 9% supported KKK a lot and 13% supported it somewhat. And they had regular rallies with racist chants I would hope that this would be considered problematic by you and too wide spread to ignore.

by qaq 3y ago

drawkward 3y ago

You went from >There are polls showing support specifically for Hamas not for Palestinian liberation cause among students. to >there are polls showing pretty wide spread support for specifically Hamas among students especially at elite UCs. Cite some evidence. I have found one poll that addresses the question of Hamas support among college students, and it does not support your claims at all. Furthermore, it was an online survey, which typically suffer from pretty poor methodology and selection bias, so I think the poll itself[1] should be ignored, despite the fact that it undermines your argument. The relevant question and response (n=609): >How much do you sympathize with… >Israeli civilians: A lot (49%) A little (23%) Not sure (16%) Not Much (9%) Not at all (4%) >Palestinian civilians: A lot (65%) A little (17%) Not sure (13%) Not Much (3%) Not at all (2%) >Israeli government: A lot (9%) A little (17%) Not sure (27%) Not Much (22%) Not at all (24%) >Hamas: A lot (9%) A little (13%) Not sure (36%) Not Much (13%) Not at all (29%) This does not show "wide spread support" for Hamas. It shows less support for Hamas than for the Israeli government. The overwhelming majority are against Hamas, by a roughly 3-to-1 margin. It's hard to even claim that this is a representative sample, due to its online nature. What evidence do you bring? [1] https://www.intelligent.com/1-in-5-college-students-sympathize-with-hamas/ https://www.intelligent.com/1-in-5-college-students-sympathi...

qaq 3y ago
You just posted it. 22% is widespread. If we are talking about people chanting slogan at a rally the 25% that support Israeli government obviously did not take part in it. So of those chanting it at a rally at the very least 30% literally mean it and up to half mostly mean it. It's also not far fetched that the more militant you are the more likely you to attend a rally in the first place. So those numbers get skewed higher. There is obvious correlation between how far left you and how likely you are to support Hamas. So in a place like UC Berkley support obviously scewes higher. But even if we ignore the scew if some university had student body where 9% supported KKK a lot and 13% supported it somewhat. And they had regular rallies with racist chants I would hope that this would be considered problematic by you and too wide spread to ignore.