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international customs checks on the train you mean? where do they do that? if i'm getting you correctly, it sounds logistically WAY harder. authorities on ever

international customs checks on the train you mean? where do they do that? if i'm getting you correctly, it sounds logistically WAY harder. authorities on every train for a start, then not missing anyone, then when someone shouldn't be allowed to pass customs they're already on the train so you can't kick them off, etc.

AlgorithmicTime 3y ago
My experience with international trains between the US and Canada is that the customs checks happen on the train.
zilti 3y ago
They do that everywhere else for international trains
- willsmith72 3y ago
  > everywhere else that's my question, where? the only places I've done that were between countries with very special travel relationships, e.g. schengen. you can travel those countries without a passport and often no border check at all, it's not the same as uk-netherlands
  - amanda99 3y ago
    Pre-Ukraine situation there used to be a train between Helsinki (Finland) and St Petersburg (Russia) that did this: border checks on a high-speed train. Definitely some of the more serious checks and visa requirements on that border as well.
  - zilti 3y ago
    Especially eastern Europe. And it used to be done all across Europe before Schengen.
    - avar 3y ago
      It's still done even within Schengen, e.g. last year I took an overnight train from Vienna to Amsterdam, a trip entirely within Schengen. German police boarded the train at the first station in Germany and walked the train to check everyone's passport.
cycomanic 3y ago
That's what they used to do before Schengen. I remember doing interrail when I was young and customs officers coming through the trains checking passports.
avar 3y ago
Everywhere? This is the first I've heard of customs checks on trains in Europe at the point of disembarkation. I've been on plenty of cross-border trains where police walk the length of the train and check everyone's passport once it's over the border. Why would failing a customs check cause you to be kicked off the train? Either your goods will be confiscated, or you'll be arrested etc.
- gbear605 3y ago
  They also check for your being legally allowed into the UK. If you don’t have a visa, they don’t let you through.
- toast0 3y ago
  > Why would failing a customs check cause you to be kicked off the train? Either your goods will be confiscated, or you'll be arrested etc. It's easier for everyone if you deny entry rather than prosecuting for unlawful entry. If you can kick people off while they're still in a country they are presumed to be in lawfully, they can figure out their documents and come back later. If you arrest them in the destination country, they've got to figure that all out from immigration detention.
  - avar 3y ago
    You're conflating customs with immigration. When you take a train from e.g. the Netherlands to Germany you're already within Schengen at the point of disembarkation. The police might check your passport details, but you won't be "deported" back over the border you just crossed. You might be deported from Schengen in its entirety, but then the fact that you just crossed a border isn't important, but e.g. that you overstayed a Schengen visa. In cases where there is a border with a non-Schenhen country in Europe the train will stop approximately at the border, and you might be refused entry. But for e.g. Austria to Germany the German police might board at the first German station after the bonder, and then walks the train as it's in motion. That's because it's a customs check.
    - willsmith72 3y ago

AlgorithmicTime 3y ago

My experience with international trains between the US and Canada is that the customs checks happen on the train.

zilti 3y ago

They do that everywhere else for international trains

willsmith72 3y ago
> everywhere else that's my question, where? the only places I've done that were between countries with very special travel relationships, e.g. schengen. you can travel those countries without a passport and often no border check at all, it's not the same as uk-netherlands
- amanda99 3y ago
  Pre-Ukraine situation there used to be a train between Helsinki (Finland) and St Petersburg (Russia) that did this: border checks on a high-speed train. Definitely some of the more serious checks and visa requirements on that border as well.
- zilti 3y ago
  Especially eastern Europe. And it used to be done all across Europe before Schengen.
  - avar 3y ago
    It's still done even within Schengen, e.g. last year I took an overnight train from Vienna to Amsterdam, a trip entirely within Schengen. German police boarded the train at the first station in Germany and walked the train to check everyone's passport.

cycomanic 3y ago

That's what they used to do before Schengen. I remember doing interrail when I was young and customs officers coming through the trains checking passports.

avar 3y ago

Everywhere? This is the first I've heard of customs checks on trains in Europe at the point of disembarkation. I've been on plenty of cross-border trains where police walk the length of the train and check everyone's passport once it's over the border. Why would failing a customs check cause you to be kicked off the train? Either your goods will be confiscated, or you'll be arrested etc.

gbear605 3y ago
They also check for your being legally allowed into the UK. If you don’t have a visa, they don’t let you through.
toast0 3y ago
> Why would failing a customs check cause you to be kicked off the train? Either your goods will be confiscated, or you'll be arrested etc. It's easier for everyone if you deny entry rather than prosecuting for unlawful entry. If you can kick people off while they're still in a country they are presumed to be in lawfully, they can figure out their documents and come back later. If you arrest them in the destination country, they've got to figure that all out from immigration detention.
- avar 3y ago
  You're conflating customs with immigration. When you take a train from e.g. the Netherlands to Germany you're already within Schengen at the point of disembarkation. The police might check your passport details, but you won't be "deported" back over the border you just crossed. You might be deported from Schengen in its entirety, but then the fact that you just crossed a border isn't important, but e.g. that you overstayed a Schengen visa. In cases where there is a border with a non-Schenhen country in Europe the train will stop approximately at the border, and you might be refused entry. But for e.g. Austria to Germany the German police might board at the first German station after the bonder, and then walks the train as it's in motion. That's because it's a customs check.
  - willsmith72 3y ago