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This has real "Netflix shouldn't be eligible for Emmys, it's not a television show if it's not broadcast over the air or on cable" energy.

endofreach 3y ago
Well in that case, JRE might just win best radio show awards as well, right?
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Awards panels are free to segment as much as they want. If JRE was actually broadcast on the radio, sure, but it’s not obviously… so it wouldn’t be eligible by normal definitions. It’s why NPR stuff is generally both a podcast and a radio program: it’s aired on the radio, and released in podcast format.
colpabar 3y ago
My mind went to that old guy on 60 minutes claiming smartphones weren't "phones" because they didn't look like the old phones he was used to. Who cares? I also can't help but think the comment was mocking the way some HN comments completely ignore the subject of an article to instead argue semantics, but who knows.
- cxr 3y ago
  > guy on 60 minutes claiming smartphones weren't "phones" because they didn't look like the old phones he was used to Sure. They're exactly the same argument, except that they're totally different. (Andy Rooney is wrong, anyway, if that's really his position. Smartphones are still phones. He's not making a good semantic argument.) > Who cares? Anyone who wants to listen to a podcast and then finds out they can't because it's not really a podcast—that people are just throwing the word "podcast" around like it means "audio, uh... interview? on a phone? or a laptop, too, I guess?".
  - ajhurliman 3y ago
    Yes, the word has become a generic term for "long format audio, usually between a few minutes and a few hours, sometimes accompanied with video depending on the platform". Like Saran Wrap, the company failed to enforce the usage of the term and it became generic. Common usage of language appropriated the privately held term and you're over here indignant that the world has moved on, I truly can't understand why anyone would choose this hill to die on though.
    - cxr 3y ago
      This is nothing like Saran Wrap (or Kleenex). Apple didn't invent "podcast". They have no say over it. (If they did come up with it, then they could say their Apple Premium Podcasts—which also aren't podcasts—really are podcasts. But they didn't and they can't so they're not.)
      - ajhurliman 3y ago
        I looked it up, it turns out you’re right, Apple didn’t invent it, there was just a lot of stuff with “pod” in the name in that era. Either way, common usage of the term “podcast” has changed. Language is defined by how it’s used.
        cxr 3y ago
        The term "podcasting" definitely comes from the name of the iPod. But Apple didn't come up with it. I'd say "Apple has as much to do with podcasting as GitHub has to do with Git", but that's not true. Apple has less to do with podcasting than GitHub has to do with Git.
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago
  He's right, we should call them handsets. The phone part is a remarkably minor feature now, compared to historical norms
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cxr 3y ago
That's a dumb comparison because: 1. Netflix programs are television shows—under both strict and loose definitions. You have to invent a bad definition of "television show" to exclude Netflix shows. 2. You're talking about Emmys and television shows and swapping the subject. You're one step removed. 3. You're making a category error. Same with people using "podcast" like it's a genre label (it isn't) or a specific (e.g. interview) format (isn't that, either). On the other hand, the way I'm applying the word podcast captures its defining characteristic. It's not a characteristic that Spotify-exclusive media has. (Spotify could change the way their platform works, and then they would have podcasts—they could even keep some stuff behind a paywall. They won't, though.) Similarly: "podcasts" that are only ever published by uploading them to the creators' YouTube channel also aren't podcasts. Again, "podcast" doesn't mean, "I'm talking to somebody and you can listen to it on your own time". (It's closer to "on your own device", but that's still not it.)

endofreach 3y ago

Well in that case, JRE might just win best radio show awards as well, right?

Kirby64 3y ago
Awards panels are free to segment as much as they want. If JRE was actually broadcast on the radio, sure, but it’s not obviously… so it wouldn’t be eligible by normal definitions. It’s why NPR stuff is generally both a podcast and a radio program: it’s aired on the radio, and released in podcast format.

colpabar 3y ago

My mind went to that old guy on 60 minutes claiming smartphones weren't "phones" because they didn't look like the old phones he was used to. Who cares? I also can't help but think the comment was mocking the way some HN comments completely ignore the subject of an article to instead argue semantics, but who knows.

cxr 3y ago
> guy on 60 minutes claiming smartphones weren't "phones" because they didn't look like the old phones he was used to Sure. They're exactly the same argument, except that they're totally different. (Andy Rooney is wrong, anyway, if that's really his position. Smartphones are still phones. He's not making a good semantic argument.) > Who cares? Anyone who wants to listen to a podcast and then finds out they can't because it's not really a podcast—that people are just throwing the word "podcast" around like it means "audio, uh... interview? on a phone? or a laptop, too, I guess?".
- ajhurliman 3y ago
  Yes, the word has become a generic term for "long format audio, usually between a few minutes and a few hours, sometimes accompanied with video depending on the platform". Like Saran Wrap, the company failed to enforce the usage of the term and it became generic. Common usage of language appropriated the privately held term and you're over here indignant that the world has moved on, I truly can't understand why anyone would choose this hill to die on though.
  - cxr 3y ago
    This is nothing like Saran Wrap (or Kleenex). Apple didn't invent "podcast". They have no say over it. (If they did come up with it, then they could say their Apple Premium Podcasts—which also aren't podcasts—really are podcasts. But they didn't and they can't so they're not.)
    - ajhurliman 3y ago
      I looked it up, it turns out you’re right, Apple didn’t invent it, there was just a lot of stuff with “pod” in the name in that era. Either way, common usage of the term “podcast” has changed. Language is defined by how it’s used.
      - cxr 3y ago
        The term "podcasting" definitely comes from the name of the iPod. But Apple didn't come up with it. I'd say "Apple has as much to do with podcasting as GitHub has to do with Git", but that's not true. Apple has less to do with podcasting than GitHub has to do with Git.
local_crmdgeon 3y ago
He's right, we should call them handsets. The phone part is a remarkably minor feature now, compared to historical norms

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cxr 3y ago

That's a dumb comparison because: 1. Netflix programs are television shows—under both strict and loose definitions. You have to invent a bad definition of "television show" to exclude Netflix shows. 2. You're talking about Emmys and television shows and swapping the subject. You're one step removed. 3. You're making a category error. Same with people using "podcast" like it's a genre label (it isn't) or a specific (e.g. interview) format (isn't that, either). On the other hand, the way I'm applying the word podcast captures its defining characteristic. It's not a characteristic that Spotify-exclusive media has. (Spotify could change the way their platform works, and then they would have podcasts—they could even keep some stuff behind a paywall. They won't, though.) Similarly: "podcasts" that are only ever published by uploading them to the creators' YouTube channel also aren't podcasts. Again, "podcast" doesn't mean, "I'm talking to somebody and you can listen to it on your own time". (It's closer to "on your own device", but that's still not it.)