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> It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack This is an odd way to decribe things considering Gaza is not a s

> It's not like Israel has been, or is, a friend of Gaza. So when Gaza was planning the attack This is an odd way to decribe things considering Gaza is not a state. Its population is mostly refugees who were ethnically cleansed from nearby villages and functionally it operates as a concentration camp preventing those people from trying to return to those villages which are now occupied by settlers.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
It might not be a state, but it is a "polity" (politically identifiable identity). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip Also, it has been de facto ruled by Hamas since (edit: 2007) despite formally being under the control of the Palestinian Authority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip
- rowanseymour 3y ago
  Ok.. but "Gaza" did not collectively plan anything and it still functions as a concentration camp even if it has internal governance.
xdennis 3y ago
They're not refugees. They left 70 years ago. If Israel left them back, Israel would devolve into another failed middle eastern state. For people who don't know, UNRWA says Palestinian refugees are the only ones who are defined as eternal. All children, including adopted (!), of Palestinian refugees are Palestinian refugees, and so on to eternity. [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA#Definition_of_refugee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA#Definition_of_refugee
- rowanseymour 3y ago
  > Israel would devolve into another failed middle eastern state. Ignoring the obvious racism here, in what sense is Israel a successful middle eastern state? It regularly attacks its neighbouring countries. It keeps 2.3 million people in a ghetto and millions others in bantustans in the West Bank. It's huge source of instability in that region and is dependent diplomatically, economically and militarily on the US.
  - weregiraffe 3y ago
    > It regularly attacks its neighbouring countries. That's a problem for neighbouring countries, not Israel. USA also regularly attacks... whoever she wishes, really. > It keeps 2.3 million people in a ghetto and millions others in bantustans in the West Bank Also not Israel's problem. >It's huge source of instability in that region Islamic fundamentalism is a huge source of instability in that region. > It's huge source of instability in that region and is dependent diplomatically, economically and militarily on the US. Your ignorance is amazing.
- sudosysgen 3y ago
  Palestinian refugees have to stay refugees because they are stateless. Stateless refugees, unless they can find some other citizenship and therefore no longer are just Palestinian - and they often can't, must remain refugees for eternity. Since children normally inherit citizenship, that goes for their children too, until they are something other than Palestinian, nationality-wise. And they didn't "leave". They were ethnically cleansed.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    per unrwa, palestinians that have citizenship of whatever other country still remain listed as refugees.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  > If Israel left them back, Israel would devolve into another failed middle eastern state. If I let the man out of the cage in my attic my home life is going to be a lot worse. He's still a caged man though.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

It might not be a state, but it is a "polity" (politically identifiable identity). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip Also, it has been de facto ruled by Hamas since (edit: 2007) despite formally being under the control of the Palestinian Authority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip

rowanseymour 3y ago
Ok.. but "Gaza" did not collectively plan anything and it still functions as a concentration camp even if it has internal governance.

xdennis 3y ago

They're not refugees. They left 70 years ago. If Israel left them back, Israel would devolve into another failed middle eastern state. For people who don't know, UNRWA says Palestinian refugees are the only ones who are defined as eternal. All children, including adopted (!), of Palestinian refugees are Palestinian refugees, and so on to eternity. [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA#Definition_of_refugee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA#Definition_of_refugee

rowanseymour 3y ago
> Israel would devolve into another failed middle eastern state. Ignoring the obvious racism here, in what sense is Israel a successful middle eastern state? It regularly attacks its neighbouring countries. It keeps 2.3 million people in a ghetto and millions others in bantustans in the West Bank. It's huge source of instability in that region and is dependent diplomatically, economically and militarily on the US.
- weregiraffe 3y ago
  > It regularly attacks its neighbouring countries. That's a problem for neighbouring countries, not Israel. USA also regularly attacks... whoever she wishes, really. > It keeps 2.3 million people in a ghetto and millions others in bantustans in the West Bank Also not Israel's problem. >It's huge source of instability in that region Islamic fundamentalism is a huge source of instability in that region. > It's huge source of instability in that region and is dependent diplomatically, economically and militarily on the US. Your ignorance is amazing.
sudosysgen 3y ago
Palestinian refugees have to stay refugees because they are stateless. Stateless refugees, unless they can find some other citizenship and therefore no longer are just Palestinian - and they often can't, must remain refugees for eternity. Since children normally inherit citizenship, that goes for their children too, until they are something other than Palestinian, nationality-wise. And they didn't "leave". They were ethnically cleansed.
- tguvot 3y ago
  per unrwa, palestinians that have citizenship of whatever other country still remain listed as refugees.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
> If Israel left them back, Israel would devolve into another failed middle eastern state. If I let the man out of the cage in my attic my home life is going to be a lot worse. He's still a caged man though.