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> I just showed that while some type of substance abuse went down, another type went up. Abuse vs use, unless you can show people didn't get their antidepressa

by sgift 3y ago

> I just showed that while some type of substance abuse went down, another type went up. Abuse vs use, unless you can show people didn't get their antidepressants from a psychiatrist or other mental health professional (don't know who is allowed to prescribe them in Portugal).

vasco 3y ago
Of course drugs given by a doctor are better and safer than drugs given by a street dealer, but the main point, which this series of replies seemed to ignore was this: > In my opinion people are just medicating in other ways, but life still sucks. Whatever the source of the issue was, we haven't fixed it. We just got better at dealing with the accute issues created by the hard street drugs, minimizing drug related crime and so on. But the answer shouldn't be to just pump all the would-be drug abusers full of ADs. Or maybe it is, what do I know.
- kranke155 3y ago
  >acute issues created by the hard street drugs, minimizing drug related crime and so on. You talk about this as if its small potatoes! These are major major issues that poison society even in richer countries like the UK. Having lived in London for half a decade and seen what a regime of prohibition has led to there - I would take the "flawed" Portuguese program.
  - vasco 3y ago
    My hat is off to Golão and I wish he could get direct funding from EU without local politics intervention. I think the impact at the time was amazing and the results are not debatable. So let me get that out of the way and agree with you in lots of things you've shared in this comment section. My main point is I think we still have loads of mental health issues in Portugal, possibly masked by the super high rate of AD use in our population, which keeps growing. Daily dosages have more than doubled since 2009 (75 DD per 1000 people to 150 DD per 1000 people) and it's accelerating.

by sgift 3y ago

vasco 3y ago

Of course drugs given by a doctor are better and safer than drugs given by a street dealer, but the main point, which this series of replies seemed to ignore was this: > In my opinion people are just medicating in other ways, but life still sucks. Whatever the source of the issue was, we haven't fixed it. We just got better at dealing with the accute issues created by the hard street drugs, minimizing drug related crime and so on. But the answer shouldn't be to just pump all the would-be drug abusers full of ADs. Or maybe it is, what do I know.

kranke155 3y ago
>acute issues created by the hard street drugs, minimizing drug related crime and so on. You talk about this as if its small potatoes! These are major major issues that poison society even in richer countries like the UK. Having lived in London for half a decade and seen what a regime of prohibition has led to there - I would take the "flawed" Portuguese program.
- vasco 3y ago
  My hat is off to Golão and I wish he could get direct funding from EU without local politics intervention. I think the impact at the time was amazing and the results are not debatable. So let me get that out of the way and agree with you in lots of things you've shared in this comment section. My main point is I think we still have loads of mental health issues in Portugal, possibly masked by the super high rate of AD use in our population, which keeps growing. Daily dosages have more than doubled since 2009 (75 DD per 1000 people to 150 DD per 1000 people) and it's accelerating.