That's impressively wrong, well done. Here, I looked up the relevant portion of the comment thread for you: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3262469 http://

That's impressively wrong, well done. Here, I looked up the relevant portion of the comment thread for you: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3262469 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3262469 . You supported your claims about Apple inventing multi-touch with a claim that Apple had trademarked a specific definition of multi-touch - thus allowing you to dismiss out of hand people citing earlier screens that supported multiple touches. You accused at least one of these people of lying. I showed you that you were wrong, that the trademark application you cited had been denied because the term is generic. Hence, other people's examples of multi-touch interfaces were perfectly valid. Another user cited a cofounder of Fingerworks stating that multi-touch was not a single innovation: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3263335 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3263335 . I'm not really sure what 'political and ideological reasons' you think I have - I have no idea of your political history, and have only noticed your posts related to Apple. I am a happy user of several Apple products and, on the whole, admire them as a company despite certain faults. I'm just not a rabid fanboy. > The problem is, so rarely do I get counter arguments, that such defenses are not often necessary. Funny how you stopped arguing at the exact moment your position became indefensible, and were so keen to do so before then. I'm honestly finding it hard to work out if you're trolling me or not.