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I wonder if they ever consider moving side lights into steering wheel that happened with newest revision of Model 3, so their location keeps changing if you tur

I wonder if they ever consider moving side lights into steering wheel that happened with newest revision of Model 3, so their location keeps changing if you turn steering wheel. Colleague has it and he hates it with passion, I was even surprised this could pass european homologisation since its obvious security risk.

dtx1 3y ago
Those rules are only there to keep new car companies from becoming competition to the existing car industry. Once you are big enough, they don't really apply. edit: Downvote me all you like but just look at what for example VW did in the emissions scandal. Not like anyone went to jail for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
- dumbo-octopus 3y ago
  Given there was a recall, a $1B fine, and a judgement that VW must refund customers the full cost of the car, they clearly do apply. Saying people must be imprisoned is moving the goalposts. Oh, and execs quite literally did go to prison: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-southkorea-idUSKBN14Q0VR/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-southkorea-idU....
  - dtx1 3y ago
    There is a huge difference in how this was handled in germany vs everywhere else.
    - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
      Elaborate? Germany issued recalls and is forcing VW to pay back full price of the car, in response to USA issuing rebates larger than what Germany originally did, and South Korea sent people to prison. It looks like everywhere punished them.
      - dtx1 3y ago
        Everyone that has been convicted has been convicted to probation for some minor or major fines. People don't get the full price back but can sue* to get the car bought back at a reduced value depending on the age and kilometers driven. * there has been some work to get something similar to a class action law suit against VW going but it's hardly the same severity or consumer protection like in the US.
        dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        Just because EU has weaker consumer protection in areas it actually matters than USA (preferring performative legislation such as GDPR, but I digress) doesn't mean the rules don't apply. They just don't apply to the severity you personally think is fit.
thebruce87m 3y ago
I’m hoping the EU forces them to change this before I’m shopping for another vehicle. Or everyone else sorts out the charging network. Either works for me.
VBprogrammer 3y ago
When you say "side lights" you mean the indicators or what an American might call "blinkers"? There does seem to be a lot of innovation for innovations sake at Tesla. Like putting in a yoke style steering wheel but not actually going the whole hog to make the turning response dynamic. Or moving critical features into the on screen menus.
- dumbo-octopus 3y ago
  It's innovation for the sake of cost cutting, nothing else. Putting buttons on a steering wheel isn't innovative in any way (or at least it hasn't been for the last 20+ years), but it is cheap.
  - mavhc 3y ago
    That's why Tesla make a profit on their EVs, unlike most companies
    - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
      Nothing quite like defending a company selling trash by saying "but hey, at least they're profitable!".
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        If you want the world to transition to EV's and away from fossil fueled vehicles, cost reductions are necessary.
        dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        I don't have particular interest in that. But I suppose having access to poorly executed examples of such is important to the folks that do. In the same way having access to Shein is important to folks that think the world needs more environmentally friendly fashion. I'll keep using old car models that don't require child laborers removing several tons of material from the earth to satiate my personal environmental sanctimoniousness.

dtx1 3y ago

Those rules are only there to keep new car companies from becoming competition to the existing car industry. Once you are big enough, they don't really apply. edit: Downvote me all you like but just look at what for example VW did in the emissions scandal. Not like anyone went to jail for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

dumbo-octopus 3y ago
Given there was a recall, a $1B fine, and a judgement that VW must refund customers the full cost of the car, they clearly do apply. Saying people must be imprisoned is moving the goalposts. Oh, and execs quite literally did go to prison: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-southkorea-idUSKBN14Q0VR/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-southkorea-idU....
- dtx1 3y ago
  There is a huge difference in how this was handled in germany vs everywhere else.
  - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
    Elaborate? Germany issued recalls and is forcing VW to pay back full price of the car, in response to USA issuing rebates larger than what Germany originally did, and South Korea sent people to prison. It looks like everywhere punished them.
    - dtx1 3y ago
      Everyone that has been convicted has been convicted to probation for some minor or major fines. People don't get the full price back but can sue* to get the car bought back at a reduced value depending on the age and kilometers driven. * there has been some work to get something similar to a class action law suit against VW going but it's hardly the same severity or consumer protection like in the US.
      - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        Just because EU has weaker consumer protection in areas it actually matters than USA (preferring performative legislation such as GDPR, but I digress) doesn't mean the rules don't apply. They just don't apply to the severity you personally think is fit.

thebruce87m 3y ago

I’m hoping the EU forces them to change this before I’m shopping for another vehicle. Or everyone else sorts out the charging network. Either works for me.

VBprogrammer 3y ago

When you say "side lights" you mean the indicators or what an American might call "blinkers"? There does seem to be a lot of innovation for innovations sake at Tesla. Like putting in a yoke style steering wheel but not actually going the whole hog to make the turning response dynamic. Or moving critical features into the on screen menus.

dumbo-octopus 3y ago
It's innovation for the sake of cost cutting, nothing else. Putting buttons on a steering wheel isn't innovative in any way (or at least it hasn't been for the last 20+ years), but it is cheap.
- mavhc 3y ago
  That's why Tesla make a profit on their EVs, unlike most companies
  - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
    Nothing quite like defending a company selling trash by saying "but hey, at least they're profitable!".
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      If you want the world to transition to EV's and away from fossil fueled vehicles, cost reductions are necessary.
      - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        I don't have particular interest in that. But I suppose having access to poorly executed examples of such is important to the folks that do. In the same way having access to Shein is important to folks that think the world needs more environmentally friendly fashion. I'll keep using old car models that don't require child laborers removing several tons of material from the earth to satiate my personal environmental sanctimoniousness.