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I mean, that's what you get for buying a device that nanny doesn't let you have complete access to.

by PrimeMcFly 3y ago

danielheath 3y ago
You mean, not a pinephone / framework laptop?
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  Well, Android was the more obvious implication, but I bet you know that and disagree. Which is weird because many manufacturers don't restrict flashing a different rom, and even with standard Android you have more access than iPhone gives you.
  - majewsky 3y ago
    > many manufacturers don't restrict flashing a different rom Manufacturers don't, but app makers do. I know people running on LineageOS that have to keep a second smartphone on stock Android for their banking authenicator app (which fails on Lineage because it's not the manufacturer-supplied ROM and that supposedly means it's been hacked).
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      If it couldn't be fooled through software (and there are sandboxing solutions to run stuff that needs google services etc) I don't think I'd stay with such a bank.
saagarjha 3y ago
I would prefer to have access to the filesystem too but this isn't really a solution to the problem. People shouldn't have to go around deleting System32 to make space on their device so they can update…
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  At least if you could access the file system you could remove a lot of junk, like the duped picture files you referenced. I agree though software updating is widely inefficient given how it could be done.
- seec 3y ago
  Yeah, the only reason this is a concern and a problem sometimes is because of Apple greed. Considering how much they charge for storage, you don't go for the large version, and since everything is soldered then it might become a problem in a future update. For example, Apple Watch series 3 cannot update without replacing the whole system for at least 3 years. In this case they didn't even sell more storage. In the end, whatever; it's just Apple nonsense, better be done with them and look for hardware elsewhere than care about all this...
harha 3y ago
There's a few reasons I can't do that and even though I've been using Linux since the mid 2000s, I don't want to spend my time tinkering. Apart from that, the bigger issue is that this is something that affects many users and the selling point of Apple was always that it should just work, which it clearly doesn't in this case.

I mean, that's what you get for buying a device that nanny doesn't let you have complete access to.

danielheath 3y ago

You mean, not a pinephone / framework laptop?

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Well, Android was the more obvious implication, but I bet you know that and disagree. Which is weird because many manufacturers don't restrict flashing a different rom, and even with standard Android you have more access than iPhone gives you.
- majewsky 3y ago
  > many manufacturers don't restrict flashing a different rom Manufacturers don't, but app makers do. I know people running on LineageOS that have to keep a second smartphone on stock Android for their banking authenicator app (which fails on Lineage because it's not the manufacturer-supplied ROM and that supposedly means it's been hacked).
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    If it couldn't be fooled through software (and there are sandboxing solutions to run stuff that needs google services etc) I don't think I'd stay with such a bank.

saagarjha 3y ago

I would prefer to have access to the filesystem too but this isn't really a solution to the problem. People shouldn't have to go around deleting System32 to make space on their device so they can update…

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
At least if you could access the file system you could remove a lot of junk, like the duped picture files you referenced. I agree though software updating is widely inefficient given how it could be done.
seec 3y ago
Yeah, the only reason this is a concern and a problem sometimes is because of Apple greed. Considering how much they charge for storage, you don't go for the large version, and since everything is soldered then it might become a problem in a future update. For example, Apple Watch series 3 cannot update without replacing the whole system for at least 3 years. In this case they didn't even sell more storage. In the end, whatever; it's just Apple nonsense, better be done with them and look for hardware elsewhere than care about all this...

harha 3y ago

There's a few reasons I can't do that and even though I've been using Linux since the mid 2000s, I don't want to spend my time tinkering. Apart from that, the bigger issue is that this is something that affects many users and the selling point of Apple was always that it should just work, which it clearly doesn't in this case.