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In which country is it legal to incarcerate people without any access to sunlight?

by konschubert 3y ago

Erratic6576 3y ago
According to the rumours of torture being committed there against Julian Assange, the UK seems a likely candidate
- plugin-baby 3y ago
  What are the rumours?
  - belorn 3y ago
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2820%2931444-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... (Title: The ongoing torture and medical neglect of Julian Assange)
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  I was thinking the US, but UK would fit too I guess.
buro9 3y ago
Prior comments from the person suggest Cook County and Illinois within the USA, all in pre-trail as a result of not being wealthy enough to foot a bail bond.
aiisjustanif 3y ago
It is legal in the US to utilize solitary confinement methods that are implemented 24 hours a day. [1] There are facilities without windows and some keep the lights on all day and night in their solitary confinement units. [2] In a recent story, D3f4ult discussed that this happened to him for a year and he was given 24/7 isolation for one year. [2] [1]: https://solitarywatch.org/facts/faq/ https://solitarywatch.org/facts/faq/ [2]: https://journalistsresource.org/home/solitary-confinement-research-primer/#:~:text=A%20solitary%20cell%20might%20also,keep%20the%20lights%20on%20all https://journalistsresource.org/home/solitary-confinement-re... [3]: https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/139/ https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/139/
- konschubert 3y ago
  This is so barbarian, I’m sorry.
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      Is that an argument?
    - cromka 3y ago
      > things one usually do And this is an excuse to treat everyone else the same? Your words, not mine.
      - meiraleal 3y ago
        Is it then an excuse to treat some of them worse than the others? What would that be, the capital punishment? I prefer to not be the one saying they are sorry to a criminal without knowing nothing about the level of barbarianism of said criminal.
        novemp 3y ago
        You'd rather risk being cruel to an innocent person than be nice to a criminal.
    - FreelanceX 3y ago
      Barbarian is sadly also how I would describe your comment.
  - konschubert 3y ago
    I understand that some prisoners are so dangerous that you might want to deny them contact to other prisoners. But you can still provide them with a view of the sky and some fresh air time every day.
qingcharles 3y ago
USA. Many county and federal jails are built right in the center of dense populated areas like downtowns. They don't want you looking out, they don't want you looking in. Also, they are very space restricted as they cannot grow in any direction, so space for recreation is not available. I once had to do a deposition with a warden, so I asked him straight out how they got away with this. His answer was "math". Basically he said "Look, jails are short term facilities, the average stay here is 30 days. Nobody is going to come to harm in 30 days." The problem with the word "average" is that it is very misleading. When say 50% of those arrested are able to bail out within hours, that brings the average down considerably, compared to the other significant part of the population who have been in there up to 11 years waiting for trial.

In which country is it legal to incarcerate people without any access to sunlight?

Erratic6576 3y ago

According to the rumours of torture being committed there against Julian Assange, the UK seems a likely candidate

plugin-baby 3y ago
What are the rumours?
- belorn 3y ago
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2820%2931444-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... (Title: The ongoing torture and medical neglect of Julian Assange)
actionfromafar 3y ago
I was thinking the US, but UK would fit too I guess.

buro9 3y ago

Prior comments from the person suggest Cook County and Illinois within the USA, all in pre-trail as a result of not being wealthy enough to foot a bail bond.

aiisjustanif 3y ago

It is legal in the US to utilize solitary confinement methods that are implemented 24 hours a day. [1] There are facilities without windows and some keep the lights on all day and night in their solitary confinement units. [2] In a recent story, D3f4ult discussed that this happened to him for a year and he was given 24/7 isolation for one year. [2] [1]: https://solitarywatch.org/facts/faq/ https://solitarywatch.org/facts/faq/ [2]: https://journalistsresource.org/home/solitary-confinement-research-primer/#:~:text=A%20solitary%20cell%20might%20also,keep%20the%20lights%20on%20all https://journalistsresource.org/home/solitary-confinement-re... [3]: https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/139/ https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/139/

konschubert 3y ago
This is so barbarian, I’m sorry.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    Is that an argument?
  - cromka 3y ago
    > things one usually do And this is an excuse to treat everyone else the same? Your words, not mine.
    - meiraleal 3y ago
      Is it then an excuse to treat some of them worse than the others? What would that be, the capital punishment? I prefer to not be the one saying they are sorry to a criminal without knowing nothing about the level of barbarianism of said criminal.
      - novemp 3y ago
        You'd rather risk being cruel to an innocent person than be nice to a criminal.
  - FreelanceX 3y ago
    Barbarian is sadly also how I would describe your comment.
- konschubert 3y ago
  I understand that some prisoners are so dangerous that you might want to deny them contact to other prisoners. But you can still provide them with a view of the sky and some fresh air time every day.

qingcharles 3y ago

USA. Many county and federal jails are built right in the center of dense populated areas like downtowns. They don't want you looking out, they don't want you looking in. Also, they are very space restricted as they cannot grow in any direction, so space for recreation is not available. I once had to do a deposition with a warden, so I asked him straight out how they got away with this. His answer was "math". Basically he said "Look, jails are short term facilities, the average stay here is 30 days. Nobody is going to come to harm in 30 days." The problem with the word "average" is that it is very misleading. When say 50% of those arrested are able to bail out within hours, that brings the average down considerably, compared to the other significant part of the population who have been in there up to 11 years waiting for trial.