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Yes, I had the same thought of them being overweight participants. This affects things a lot, as any form of caloric restriction would've shown results (given t

Yes, I had the same thought of them being overweight participants. This affects things a lot, as any form of caloric restriction would've shown results (given the participants' higher fat reserves and existing cholesterol); and given that the study split is not isocaloric, it is very likely that the vegan diet was naturally lower in calories. Edit: Confirmed: The diets are not isocaloric, as mentioned in their study (see my top-level comment (I added it for better visibility)).

seec 3y ago
Thanks for actually reading, I didn't have time and I was on mobile at the time (I had a hunch it wasn't worth it anyway). This is not surprising and, in my opinion, completely invalidates the results. They just proved lowering caloric intake when you have too much body fat is good for you. We know that for a while now, but it's just not politically correct to say it (body shaming and all that nonsense). And if there was a performance component to those type of studies and similar caloric intake, I believe a vegan diet wouldn't do well for both physical and intellectual activities. The following argument would be "what is the point" if it's to live a worse version of life than you could be... In my experience many vegans are vegans because they want to diet to lose body fat but they don't want to say it and/or they are not willing to do what's necessary (good amount of physical activity with plenty cardio) or can't say no without an excuse. To be fair some people are extremely pushy with food and if you don't agree to eat whatever good but extremely high calorie treat that is offered it becomes a problem. But it's only a short-term fix, vegans will generally lose a decent amount of weight in the 1-2 years but will end up with a worse composition at some point. After a while they gained low weight but large bodyfat to muscle ratio and their energy expenditure that is linked to muscle mass and brain activity is way too low. So, they end up being able to consume even fewer calories and since vegan food is not inherently better, they end up in a worse situation than they started with. Im extremely skeptical about all the "informations" on veganism. If it was so good, we wouldn't need so many "studies" the benefits would be self-evident, my experience is that it is actually hard to find benefits (even cost wise it can only compete if you have cheap energy, lots of time and lots of tools for processing).

seec 3y ago

Thanks for actually reading, I didn't have time and I was on mobile at the time (I had a hunch it wasn't worth it anyway). This is not surprising and, in my opinion, completely invalidates the results. They just proved lowering caloric intake when you have too much body fat is good for you. We know that for a while now, but it's just not politically correct to say it (body shaming and all that nonsense). And if there was a performance component to those type of studies and similar caloric intake, I believe a vegan diet wouldn't do well for both physical and intellectual activities. The following argument would be "what is the point" if it's to live a worse version of life than you could be... In my experience many vegans are vegans because they want to diet to lose body fat but they don't want to say it and/or they are not willing to do what's necessary (good amount of physical activity with plenty cardio) or can't say no without an excuse. To be fair some people are extremely pushy with food and if you don't agree to eat whatever good but extremely high calorie treat that is offered it becomes a problem. But it's only a short-term fix, vegans will generally lose a decent amount of weight in the 1-2 years but will end up with a worse composition at some point. After a while they gained low weight but large bodyfat to muscle ratio and their energy expenditure that is linked to muscle mass and brain activity is way too low. So, they end up being able to consume even fewer calories and since vegan food is not inherently better, they end up in a worse situation than they started with. Im extremely skeptical about all the "informations" on veganism. If it was so good, we wouldn't need so many "studies" the benefits would be self-evident, my experience is that it is actually hard to find benefits (even cost wise it can only compete if you have cheap energy, lots of time and lots of tools for processing).