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You're quoting from a section on right of way and collision avoidance. Being asked to maintain visual separation for flying in the pattern (instead of radar sep

You're quoting from a section on right of way and collision avoidance. Being asked to maintain visual separation for flying in the pattern (instead of radar separation) is not the same thing as "we expect you to regularly look out the window to avoid a collision with other aircraft as a backup to ATC fucking up and collision warning not working." They ran down the aircraft's fuel, contributed to crew fatigue, and their language and conduct on the radio was petulant, at best. This is all because US controllers use visual approaches because they can fit more planes in. The entire system is overloaded and overworked, and the strain is showing in skyrocketing near-miss incidents.

bandyaboot 3y ago
> "we expect you to regularly look out the window to avoid a collision with other aircraft as a backup to ATC fucking up and collision warning not working." If I’m understanding correctly, the ATC is asking the pilot if they can maintain visual separation with traffic landing on the parallel runway. The pilot says no meaning they need the added accommodation of being brought in without parallel traffic. For better or for worse, maintaining visual separation with parallel traffic is the normal course of business there…the situation wouldn’t arise because of an ATC fuckup. Furthermore, in such a scenario, the collision avoidance system is a backup to the pilot, not the other way around.
- lawguy 3y ago
  You can see an example of a parallel landing at SFO (on 28L) after sunset here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1mUkxj0UM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1mUkxj0UM. I first spot the strobe of the other aircraft (eventually landing on 28R) at 4:00, and at 7:00 the aircraft are parallel and in close proximity. For comparison, here's one in full darkness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m2sR3lVotw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m2sR3lVotw
  - bandyaboot 3y ago
    Pilots just cruising along in the passing lane. Speed up and merge over already. shakes fist

bandyaboot 3y ago

> "we expect you to regularly look out the window to avoid a collision with other aircraft as a backup to ATC fucking up and collision warning not working." If I’m understanding correctly, the ATC is asking the pilot if they can maintain visual separation with traffic landing on the parallel runway. The pilot says no meaning they need the added accommodation of being brought in without parallel traffic. For better or for worse, maintaining visual separation with parallel traffic is the normal course of business there…the situation wouldn’t arise because of an ATC fuckup. Furthermore, in such a scenario, the collision avoidance system is a backup to the pilot, not the other way around.

lawguy 3y ago
You can see an example of a parallel landing at SFO (on 28L) after sunset here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1mUkxj0UM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1mUkxj0UM. I first spot the strobe of the other aircraft (eventually landing on 28R) at 4:00, and at 7:00 the aircraft are parallel and in close proximity. For comparison, here's one in full darkness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m2sR3lVotw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m2sR3lVotw
- bandyaboot 3y ago
  Pilots just cruising along in the passing lane. Speed up and merge over already. shakes fist