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You're completely missing the point. No liberal is going to sit here and talk about how we are anticatholic for talking about sexual abuse in the catholic churc

You're completely missing the point. No liberal is going to sit here and talk about how we are anticatholic for talking about sexual abuse in the catholic church, but they certainly will say "islamophobia" if we start criticizing islam because of jihadists, the subjugation of women, and the treatment of LGBTQ. Suddenly it's "not all muslims" and such...

eesmith 3y ago
We certainly can criticize jihadists without criticizing Islam in exactly the same way we can criticize participants of the Protestant/Catholic conflicts in (Northern) Ireland without criticizing the Catholic or Anglican churches, much less all Anglicans and Catholics. The Islamophobia accusation comes in when people, for example, want to expel all non-citizen Muslims because of what a small number of jihaddists thousands of miles away did, or want to "bomb the region back to the Stone Age" for the same reason. Where are the calls to expel all Catholic foreign residents because of systemic sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Where are the calls to nuke the Vatican? We should see far more of those if your two cases were really parallel, and were that so we would be hearing a lot of "not all Catholics." My point is that we already use "anti-Catholic" what you describe as "Catholicphobic". The English Reformation era was DEEPLY anti-Catholic, and far more violent towards recusants than Islamophobia in the modern US, with some executed for their Catholic faith. And yet we use the term "anti-Catholic", not "Catholicphobic" for that situation. (To further muddy the waters, "jihad" has multiple meanings and you are using a particularly Western interpretation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad points out "Most Western writers consider external jihad to have primacy over inner jihad in the Islamic tradition, while much of contemporary Muslim opinion favors the opposite view.[19]" Consider how US soldiers use "haji" has a slur when for Muslims it is an honorific title. Further, consider how George W. Bush called US action after 9/11 a "crusade" - a reference to a series of Christian military actions.)

eesmith 3y ago

We certainly can criticize jihadists without criticizing Islam in exactly the same way we can criticize participants of the Protestant/Catholic conflicts in (Northern) Ireland without criticizing the Catholic or Anglican churches, much less all Anglicans and Catholics. The Islamophobia accusation comes in when people, for example, want to expel all non-citizen Muslims because of what a small number of jihaddists thousands of miles away did, or want to "bomb the region back to the Stone Age" for the same reason. Where are the calls to expel all Catholic foreign residents because of systemic sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Where are the calls to nuke the Vatican? We should see far more of those if your two cases were really parallel, and were that so we would be hearing a lot of "not all Catholics." My point is that we already use "anti-Catholic" what you describe as "Catholicphobic". The English Reformation era was DEEPLY anti-Catholic, and far more violent towards recusants than Islamophobia in the modern US, with some executed for their Catholic faith. And yet we use the term "anti-Catholic", not "Catholicphobic" for that situation. (To further muddy the waters, "jihad" has multiple meanings and you are using a particularly Western interpretation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad points out "Most Western writers consider external jihad to have primacy over inner jihad in the Islamic tradition, while much of contemporary Muslim opinion favors the opposite view.[19]" Consider how US soldiers use "haji" has a slur when for Muslims it is an honorific title. Further, consider how George W. Bush called US action after 9/11 a "crusade" - a reference to a series of Christian military actions.)