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I’ve slept better as I age because there isn’t a government enforced mandate to force me to wake me up early in the morning and go into a room with my same age

I’ve slept better as I age because there isn’t a government enforced mandate to force me to wake me up early in the morning and go into a room with my same age peers. Not being in poverty helps as well. I found children were set up to fail so spectacularly when it comes to sleep that I wonder why it would become more elusive with age.

esperent 3y ago
> a government enforced mandate to force me to wake me up early in the morning and go into a room with my same age peers When someone jumps into a discussion and reframes a well known concept in a way that's intended to make people angry so that they can further a point of view that is orthogonal (x) to the current discussion, I always wonder, why? Has life taught you that this is a useful way to further a discussion? Do people respond well to it? Or do you just like strong reactions to what you say and you have found that stating things in a way designed to elicit anger is a good way to get those? (x) This article is about sleep patterns in adults over 60 versus younger adults, not sleep deprivation in children and teens who are forced to get up early for school. Your point is not totally unrelated, it's worth discussing, and it's also orthogonal to the actual discussion here. So again, why did you feel the need to jump in and try to make people angry about it?
- xtracto 3y ago
  I feel you are seeing it wrong. You are feeling anger where it wasn't meant to be. The way I read these types of comments is trying to reframe typical human actions in an "impartial " light. Everybody knows kids should go yk school, if someone dared to say otherwise people would jump to "cancel" them because "think of the children". So trying to put the argument in a different light to avoid the knee-jerk reactions helps drive conversation. I hate that English is not my first language, so my argument here surely reads somewhat funky.
- ozymandium 3y ago
  I greatly appreciate when people reframe old ideas in a new light. It's not only helpful to the conversation, but an effective way to communicate with people who have entrenched ideas and need help getting out of a rut. Perhaps the discomfort you're feeling is from being challenged.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  It was a style choice, nothing more.

esperent 3y ago

> a government enforced mandate to force me to wake me up early in the morning and go into a room with my same age peers When someone jumps into a discussion and reframes a well known concept in a way that's intended to make people angry so that they can further a point of view that is orthogonal (x) to the current discussion, I always wonder, why? Has life taught you that this is a useful way to further a discussion? Do people respond well to it? Or do you just like strong reactions to what you say and you have found that stating things in a way designed to elicit anger is a good way to get those? (x) This article is about sleep patterns in adults over 60 versus younger adults, not sleep deprivation in children and teens who are forced to get up early for school. Your point is not totally unrelated, it's worth discussing, and it's also orthogonal to the actual discussion here. So again, why did you feel the need to jump in and try to make people angry about it?

xtracto 3y ago
I feel you are seeing it wrong. You are feeling anger where it wasn't meant to be. The way I read these types of comments is trying to reframe typical human actions in an "impartial " light. Everybody knows kids should go yk school, if someone dared to say otherwise people would jump to "cancel" them because "think of the children". So trying to put the argument in a different light to avoid the knee-jerk reactions helps drive conversation. I hate that English is not my first language, so my argument here surely reads somewhat funky.
ozymandium 3y ago
I greatly appreciate when people reframe old ideas in a new light. It's not only helpful to the conversation, but an effective way to communicate with people who have entrenched ideas and need help getting out of a rut. Perhaps the discomfort you're feeling is from being challenged.
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
It was a style choice, nothing more.