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Ok but that's simply mixing multiple languages by means of neologisms, loanwords, as in Franglais, Spanglish, Taglish (Filipino-English creole, as seen in www.i

by smcin 3y ago

Ok but that's simply mixing multiple languages by means of neologisms, loanwords, as in Franglais, Spanglish, Taglish (Filipino-English creole, as seen in www.inquirer.net) etc. (which are technically creoles, as seen daily in web posts and text). Verbing a noun is pretty simple; French borrowing English nouns as loanwords then verbing them is another. I was expecting something intermixed and trilingual. "The word “brunch” doesn’t exist in French": well not the official French language per the Académie Française, but functionally it does, once everyday French-speakers start using it [0] "Many were quick to point out, as Reuters reports, that French President Emmanuel Macron commonly uses English idioms, including “start-up nation” and “bottom-up.”". I'm guessing Québecois people are even more fluid about this, since they have to be functionally bilingual(/trilingual) in daily interactions, and France's Toubon law doesn't apply to them. For example, it would be interesting to chart the ratio of the Académie-mandated 'courriel' vs 'email' in majority-French-language posts in various regions. [1] [0]: ["How France Tries to Keep English Out of Public Life" (8/2019)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20730219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20730219) [1]: [Should You Use "le Courriel" for "Email"? (2019)](https://www.thoughtco.com/le-courriel-vocabulary-1371793 https://www.thoughtco.com/le-courriel-vocabulary-1371793)

kredd 3y ago
Sorry, I missed this comment! Here's how I usually talk with my friends who are also fluent in English, Russian and Turkish, I think it would be a better example: Ne smotra na fact that tomorrow bir o kadar da sunny diyildir, bilo bi horosho progulyatsa around the seawall. (Despite the fact it's not really sunny tomorrow, it would be nice to go for a walk around the seawall) It's very weird to type it out, as we only use it when we speak. At least, when I type, I tend to think in one language, so there's less organic mixing happening. Since it's speaking-only thing for me, I tend to add the usual filler words, suffixes for superlative forms and etc., but from all three languages. Apologies for using French/English, as that didn't convey my point properly. It's not about loan words, it's exactly just mixing random languages together as they roll off your tongue. I know it sounds stupid, but I've been talking to my siblings that way my entire life, so it's very "natural" to me. Most of my university friends are at least bilingual as well, and from what I've been told, they do the same with their friends in their own languages.
- smcin 3y ago
  That example is much better, thanks.

by smcin 3y ago

kredd 3y ago

Sorry, I missed this comment! Here's how I usually talk with my friends who are also fluent in English, Russian and Turkish, I think it would be a better example: Ne smotra na fact that tomorrow bir o kadar da sunny diyildir, bilo bi horosho progulyatsa around the seawall. (Despite the fact it's not really sunny tomorrow, it would be nice to go for a walk around the seawall) It's very weird to type it out, as we only use it when we speak. At least, when I type, I tend to think in one language, so there's less organic mixing happening. Since it's speaking-only thing for me, I tend to add the usual filler words, suffixes for superlative forms and etc., but from all three languages. Apologies for using French/English, as that didn't convey my point properly. It's not about loan words, it's exactly just mixing random languages together as they roll off your tongue. I know it sounds stupid, but I've been talking to my siblings that way my entire life, so it's very "natural" to me. Most of my university friends are at least bilingual as well, and from what I've been told, they do the same with their friends in their own languages.

smcin 3y ago
That example is much better, thanks.