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Lots of people love being contrarian in theory. If it happened to you for real, no chance youre gonna say no to that

monooso 3y ago
Not everyone shares your goals or values. I've used Apple products for years and generally like them a lot as a company, but I have no interest in working for them or any other large US tech company. The money is good, of course, but the quality of life sacrifices aren't worth it (for me). That's not contrarianism. That's understanding what matters to me.
- rikafurude21 3y ago
  fair enough
financypants 3y ago
Would you say the majority of people who claim to be contrarian aren’t actual contrarians, in your experience? I’m not sure you can infer this in general.
KomoD 3y ago
> If it happened to you for real, no chance youre gonna say no to that 100% guarantee I would
BirdieNZ 3y ago
There are literally hundreds of thousands of software engineers employed at companies that are of similar prestige and pay as Apple, and many of them will be on HN. If you're getting paid $500k at Netflix/Google/Meta, why work for $400k at Apple?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Uhh no, have you ever dug into compensation that most companies that post on HN are offering? They are offering regular old CRUD enterprise level compensation and “equity” that probably won’t be worth anything
  - BirdieNZ 3y ago
    Sure, but that has nothing to do with what I said. There will be many HN users who are earning as much or more as Apple engineers, even if many are earning much less, so assuming that someone here would definitely jump at an Apple offer is not particularly reasonable.
Sophistifunk 3y ago
Move to California, go back to an office for 60 hours a week, sign my life away and swear to secrecy about my thrilling position on some compiler team? Yeah I think could say no to that.
- alephnan 3y ago
  > thrilling position on some compiler team What’s wrong with compilers?
  - Sophistifunk 3y ago
    Nothing I'd love to work on that sort of thing. The point wasn't that the kind of job is bad, but that even if you're working on stuff that shouldn't be secret, you still have to jump through all those hoops. And imagine how many middle-managers they have who think a) they're the next Steve Jobs, and b) that what drove his success was being a dick to his workmates.
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      amen. the worst thing about STEM, IMO, is STEM people. yeah I mean you
      - Sophistifunk 3y ago
        yawn I guess you're in the wrong place, innit?
- atlintots 3y ago
  compiler enthusiasts catching stays:(
Centigonal 3y ago
My biggest motivator not to work for apple is this post from Bret Victor: http://worrydream.com/#!/Apple http://worrydream.com/#!/Apple
scarface_74 3y ago
I had a much longer reply. But just read the story of the Mexican fisherman https://bemorewithless.com/the-story-of-the-mexican-fisherman/ https://bemorewithless.com/the-story-of-the-mexican-fisherma... On a personal level, this is my life now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36767599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36767599 Do you really think I would give this up in exchange for more money and more stress?

Not everyone shares your goals or values. I've used Apple products for years and generally like them a lot as a company, but I have no interest in working for them or any other large US tech company. The money is good, of course, but the quality of life sacrifices aren't worth it (for me). That's not contrarianism. That's understanding what matters to me.

rikafurude21 3y ago
fair enough

financypants 3y ago

Would you say the majority of people who claim to be contrarian aren’t actual contrarians, in your experience? I’m not sure you can infer this in general.

KomoD 3y ago

> If it happened to you for real, no chance youre gonna say no to that 100% guarantee I would

BirdieNZ 3y ago

There are literally hundreds of thousands of software engineers employed at companies that are of similar prestige and pay as Apple, and many of them will be on HN. If you're getting paid $500k at Netflix/Google/Meta, why work for $400k at Apple?

scarface_74 3y ago
Uhh no, have you ever dug into compensation that most companies that post on HN are offering? They are offering regular old CRUD enterprise level compensation and “equity” that probably won’t be worth anything
- BirdieNZ 3y ago
  Sure, but that has nothing to do with what I said. There will be many HN users who are earning as much or more as Apple engineers, even if many are earning much less, so assuming that someone here would definitely jump at an Apple offer is not particularly reasonable.

Sophistifunk 3y ago

Move to California, go back to an office for 60 hours a week, sign my life away and swear to secrecy about my thrilling position on some compiler team? Yeah I think could say no to that.

alephnan 3y ago
> thrilling position on some compiler team What’s wrong with compilers?
- Sophistifunk 3y ago
  Nothing I'd love to work on that sort of thing. The point wasn't that the kind of job is bad, but that even if you're working on stuff that shouldn't be secret, you still have to jump through all those hoops. And imagine how many middle-managers they have who think a) they're the next Steve Jobs, and b) that what drove his success was being a dick to his workmates.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    amen. the worst thing about STEM, IMO, is STEM people. yeah I mean you
    - Sophistifunk 3y ago
      yawn I guess you're in the wrong place, innit?
atlintots 3y ago
compiler enthusiasts catching stays:(

Centigonal 3y ago

My biggest motivator not to work for apple is this post from Bret Victor: http://worrydream.com/#!/Apple http://worrydream.com/#!/Apple

scarface_74 3y ago

I had a much longer reply. But just read the story of the Mexican fisherman https://bemorewithless.com/the-story-of-the-mexican-fisherman/ https://bemorewithless.com/the-story-of-the-mexican-fisherma... On a personal level, this is my life now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36767599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36767599 Do you really think I would give this up in exchange for more money and more stress?