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You can't use the SpaceX Starship either, so is it also fake? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

by Kranar 3y ago

lmm 3y ago
It's "fake" in the sense that you can't rely on it. Maybe it will one day be real, but I certainly wouldn't start e.g. planning a mission schedule based on their declared payload numbers. That said, ultimately I believe, based on available information, Starship will likely fly in something close to its envisioned form. I don't believe Jai will ever be publicly released in a way that remotely delivers on what it's been claimed to offer. It's vaporware in the classic sense, and a few demo videos do not change that.
- Xeamek 3y ago
  This is just factually wrong. Across thousands of hours of Blow's streams, massive amounts of codebase, both from jai itself as well as the game that it is used to develop, has been shown. You are free to not care about it until it's public,even be skeptical. And that's perfectly fair aproach. But saying it is a vaporwave as if it's all promises and no substance is just objectively wrong.
  - lmm 3y ago
    The publicly released part of it is all promises and no substance. Neither the alleged language nor the alleged game are available and I'm sceptical that they ever will be (we're well past the time where one would reasonably expect them to have come out if they were ever going to). The likes of Xanadu or the Mill had really cool demos, but that isn't enough to make them not vaporware.
    - Xeamek 3y ago
      >Publicly released parts of it all promises and no substance. True, but again, there is more you can look at then that, and just because something isn't publicly released yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that you can't look at something. Both game and the language itself have enough materials online to validate their existence on a stage much, much more advanced then 'vapor wave promise stage', even if access to it is less convenient then having an open repository
    - alpaca128 3y ago
      > we're well past the time where one would reasonably expect them to have come out Jai is now about as long in development as Rust was until its stable release, though it's not funded by Mozilla and has fewer people working on it who are simultaneously building a game which isn't yet as long in development as Blow's previous (and less ambitious) title. I don't know what timeframe you find reasonable but I don't see anything wrong here. Multiple people have publicly used the language, so it's real and definitely not "alleged" even if you are doubtful of its future.
      - lmm 3y ago
        > Jai is now about as long in development as Rust was until its stable release, though it's not funded by Mozilla and has fewer people working on it Rust at this time in its life did not have a "stable" release, but there were already plenty of public releases of Rust and of things written in Rust, and plenty of non-video documentation.

You can't use the SpaceX Starship either, so is it also fake? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

by Kranar 3y ago

You can't use the SpaceX Starship either, so is it also fake? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

lmm 3y ago

It's "fake" in the sense that you can't rely on it. Maybe it will one day be real, but I certainly wouldn't start e.g. planning a mission schedule based on their declared payload numbers. That said, ultimately I believe, based on available information, Starship will likely fly in something close to its envisioned form. I don't believe Jai will ever be publicly released in a way that remotely delivers on what it's been claimed to offer. It's vaporware in the classic sense, and a few demo videos do not change that.

Xeamek 3y ago
This is just factually wrong. Across thousands of hours of Blow's streams, massive amounts of codebase, both from jai itself as well as the game that it is used to develop, has been shown. You are free to not care about it until it's public,even be skeptical. And that's perfectly fair aproach. But saying it is a vaporwave as if it's all promises and no substance is just objectively wrong.
- lmm 3y ago
  The publicly released part of it is all promises and no substance. Neither the alleged language nor the alleged game are available and I'm sceptical that they ever will be (we're well past the time where one would reasonably expect them to have come out if they were ever going to). The likes of Xanadu or the Mill had really cool demos, but that isn't enough to make them not vaporware.
  - Xeamek 3y ago
    >Publicly released parts of it all promises and no substance. True, but again, there is more you can look at then that, and just because something isn't publicly released yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that you can't look at something. Both game and the language itself have enough materials online to validate their existence on a stage much, much more advanced then 'vapor wave promise stage', even if access to it is less convenient then having an open repository
  - alpaca128 3y ago
    > we're well past the time where one would reasonably expect them to have come out Jai is now about as long in development as Rust was until its stable release, though it's not funded by Mozilla and has fewer people working on it who are simultaneously building a game which isn't yet as long in development as Blow's previous (and less ambitious) title. I don't know what timeframe you find reasonable but I don't see anything wrong here. Multiple people have publicly used the language, so it's real and definitely not "alleged" even if you are doubtful of its future.
    - lmm 3y ago
      > Jai is now about as long in development as Rust was until its stable release, though it's not funded by Mozilla and has fewer people working on it Rust at this time in its life did not have a "stable" release, but there were already plenty of public releases of Rust and of things written in Rust, and plenty of non-video documentation.