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I would love to hear more about how you successfully releared how to fall asleep. I'm facing a similar battle right now, I've always been a "night person" and

by loxias 3y ago

I would love to hear more about how you successfully releared how to fall asleep. I'm facing a similar battle right now, I've always been a "night person" and on a roughly 28h day, for the past year I've been (mostly unsuccessfully) trying to force myself into a morning person and 24h day. It's kinda worked, though I get btw 3-6h of sleep, which isn't enough.

jmiskovic 3y ago
My method is similar to meditation. I focus on my faint tinnitus, and expand the peripheral awareness to any other sounds. When my mind starts wandering I bring the focus back to the sense of hearing. It helps clear the mind and I'm out in minutes, pretty reliably. Only time it doesn't work is when I've had too much coffee (not that I learn from that mistake). I also tried other methods, like reading a book before sleep, the 4-7-8 breathing pattern, and the white noise generator, but to me they are just distractions.
rainclouds 3y ago
I struggle with this as well and decided the only thing I can control is wake up, so I stretch those into 45-90 minute periods using increasing music volume to wake up. Having a time period to wake up makes it more likely I fall asleep in a predictable time period. Going to sleep at X to wake up at Y is all fail for me.
kornork 3y ago
What do you mean 28h day? Are you going to bed 4 hours later every day than the day before? How can you do this and keep a job, or even schedule appointments several weeks out?
- loxias 3y ago
  Left to my own devices, I fall into something like that, yes. My ideal world would be one in which I was allowed to stay up and keep being productive, instead of feeling like I'm hitting my stride right as the external world says it's time to go to sleep. I donno, it hasn't been a big deal. I've worked for startups and also doing consulting work the past 20 years, I always mentioned my weird schedule when interviewing, maybe it's tech, maybe just my bubble, but it's fine. During that time I didn't tend to schedule many appointments. Now I'm doing a different thing, trying to see if I can actually adapt to be on a 24h schedule and be a "morning person" and all that.
  - qaisjp 3y ago
    25 and struggling with this. I was feeling motivated last night at 1am, and it took every inch of my body to NOT whip out VS Code. Still couldn't sleep until 4am. Woke up today at 1pm. -- I used to think that growing up would mean that I could go to sleep whenever I wanted, and do what I want. Turns out that growing up means you learn that you shouldn't do those things. But why? My mornings are usually clear of meetings, and I could just work PST hours from the east coast, and it would be fine. Turned out that working every evening is not good for your social life, and having a social life is something I try to prioritise more than hacking all day all night.
- r721 3y ago
  Here's a Wikipedia article for the interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...
ajolly 3y ago
A battled this for most of my life, the biggest difference surprisingly has been trying to shift meals earlier and earlier in the day. Search for ETRF, early time restricted feeding.
- pschuegr 3y ago
  Yup likewise. Eating after 8pm is a sleep killer for me.
ClimaxGravely 3y ago
I can't say I've been able to solve this problem 100% but personally visualizing a very cold environment I'm trying to keep warm from helps. Also keeping the room really cool with ample warmth from sheets seems to help. I'm not sure why though.

by loxias 3y ago

jmiskovic 3y ago

My method is similar to meditation. I focus on my faint tinnitus, and expand the peripheral awareness to any other sounds. When my mind starts wandering I bring the focus back to the sense of hearing. It helps clear the mind and I'm out in minutes, pretty reliably. Only time it doesn't work is when I've had too much coffee (not that I learn from that mistake). I also tried other methods, like reading a book before sleep, the 4-7-8 breathing pattern, and the white noise generator, but to me they are just distractions.

rainclouds 3y ago

I struggle with this as well and decided the only thing I can control is wake up, so I stretch those into 45-90 minute periods using increasing music volume to wake up. Having a time period to wake up makes it more likely I fall asleep in a predictable time period. Going to sleep at X to wake up at Y is all fail for me.

kornork 3y ago

What do you mean 28h day? Are you going to bed 4 hours later every day than the day before? How can you do this and keep a job, or even schedule appointments several weeks out?

loxias 3y ago
Left to my own devices, I fall into something like that, yes. My ideal world would be one in which I was allowed to stay up and keep being productive, instead of feeling like I'm hitting my stride right as the external world says it's time to go to sleep. I donno, it hasn't been a big deal. I've worked for startups and also doing consulting work the past 20 years, I always mentioned my weird schedule when interviewing, maybe it's tech, maybe just my bubble, but it's fine. During that time I didn't tend to schedule many appointments. Now I'm doing a different thing, trying to see if I can actually adapt to be on a 24h schedule and be a "morning person" and all that.
- qaisjp 3y ago
  25 and struggling with this. I was feeling motivated last night at 1am, and it took every inch of my body to NOT whip out VS Code. Still couldn't sleep until 4am. Woke up today at 1pm. -- I used to think that growing up would mean that I could go to sleep whenever I wanted, and do what I want. Turns out that growing up means you learn that you shouldn't do those things. But why? My mornings are usually clear of meetings, and I could just work PST hours from the east coast, and it would be fine. Turned out that working every evening is not good for your social life, and having a social life is something I try to prioritise more than hacking all day all night.
r721 3y ago
Here's a Wikipedia article for the interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...

ajolly 3y ago

A battled this for most of my life, the biggest difference surprisingly has been trying to shift meals earlier and earlier in the day. Search for ETRF, early time restricted feeding.

pschuegr 3y ago
Yup likewise. Eating after 8pm is a sleep killer for me.

ClimaxGravely 3y ago

I can't say I've been able to solve this problem 100% but personally visualizing a very cold environment I'm trying to keep warm from helps. Also keeping the room really cool with ample warmth from sheets seems to help. I'm not sure why though.