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One of the underrated benefits of having hoards of haters, is that they'll work feverishly to find and yell about any and all of your flaws and weakness, for fr

One of the underrated benefits of having hoards of haters, is that they'll work feverishly to find and yell about any and all of your flaws and weakness, for free. Those who don't have any haters have to pay for that valuable information, and still end up left wondering if the feedback is too soft.

u320 3y ago
What it the evidence that this is what happened here?
slowhadoken 3y ago
Yeah it’s free QA
- frosting1337 3y ago
  Nah, they have a bug bounty program, people get paid for their bugs. Probably one of the better things Tesla do is their attitude towards bug hunters.
demondemidi 3y ago
"hoard of haters" If you're not repulsed by Musk, you haven't been paying attention. He is an abhorrent human being, antisemite, conspiracy theorist, anti-human rights, philandering, anti-free speech, billionaire troll. Every one of those claims has citations based in reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- alsodumb 3y ago
  I had to read OP's comment again just to make sure I wasn't missing anything - what part of his comment made you go off like this? Burst his bubble? of what?
  - __s 3y ago
    I think they read "hoard of haters" like "basket of deplorables"
  - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
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    - qarl 3y ago
      I agree. The similarities between the two are striking.
      - ls612 3y ago
        Texas Man Bad -> Orange Man Bad -> Rocket Man Bad American culture in the past 20 years in one line.
        qarl 3y ago
        The pattern is pretty obvious, isn't it? You'd think they'd learn.
      - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        And the ability of their haters to make every discussion about how bad man is bad.
        qarl 3y ago
        Yes. Agreed. The two are very obviously very similar.
mullingitover 3y ago
I don't know if "Lots of black hats loathe my vehicle's manufacturer and want to do it harm, and potentially by proxy me," is as beneficial as you're making it out to be. > they'll work feverishly to find and yell about any and all of your flaws and weakness, for free. This is a very questionable assumption. I don't see why a black hat who manages to pwn Tesla is going to then turn around and responsibly report the vuln they're using instead of doing maximum damage to the brand, potentially endangering lives of drivers, or selling their 0-day to some other malicious actor.
- taf2 3y ago
  I’m definitely a Tesla fan.. considering a cyber truck but one concern I have which I think is similar to what your saying is I’m worried because it’s been demonstrated as bullet proof what if someone I drive by decides to test it out ?
  - idiotsecant 3y ago
    The idea that the cyber truck is 'bylletproof' is laughable. 3mm of stainless sheet does not start defying physics when you sprinkle Tesla marketing on it. Low energy pistol rounds designed for minimal penetration might be stopped but I wouldn't bet your life on it
    - haliskerbas 3y ago
      Shhh they don’t have a marketing department, there is no marketing!!!! /s
    - kiba 3y ago
      I have seen video of it. It's 'bulletproof' for what they shot at it, which includes handgun, shotgun, and a tommy gun. I wouldn't rely on it as an armored vehicle. If I want extra protection, then I would spend money on uparmoring it.
      - dun44 3y ago
frosting1337 3y ago
Tesla has a decent bug bounty program - the haters get paid. Source: I'm a paid hater. :)
hutzlibu 3y ago
The downside is stronger, if your buisness modell depends on people not knowing your flaws. Like a promised full self driving, that cannot do full self driving, but rather has serious flaws, capable of killing people: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/elon-musk-and-tesla-ignored-autopilots-fatal-flaws-judge-says-evidence-shows/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/elon-musk-and-te...
FireBeyond 3y ago
There's a certain sense of martyrdom around Tesla. But I think that has nothing to do with this. Tesla has, for better or worse, one of the most "connected" vehicle systems. There are things I don't miss in my car, but I certainly like other things. That just makes it a bigger target. Attack surface and all that, more opportunities. It doesn't have to be about "the haters".

u320 3y ago

What it the evidence that this is what happened here?

slowhadoken 3y ago

Yeah it’s free QA

frosting1337 3y ago
Nah, they have a bug bounty program, people get paid for their bugs. Probably one of the better things Tesla do is their attitude towards bug hunters.

demondemidi 3y ago

"hoard of haters" If you're not repulsed by Musk, you haven't been paying attention. He is an abhorrent human being, antisemite, conspiracy theorist, anti-human rights, philandering, anti-free speech, billionaire troll. Every one of those claims has citations based in reality. Sorry to burst your bubble.

alsodumb 3y ago
I had to read OP's comment again just to make sure I wasn't missing anything - what part of his comment made you go off like this? Burst his bubble? of what?
- __s 3y ago
  I think they read "hoard of haters" like "basket of deplorables"
- ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - qarl 3y ago
    I agree. The similarities between the two are striking.
    - ls612 3y ago
      Texas Man Bad -> Orange Man Bad -> Rocket Man Bad American culture in the past 20 years in one line.
      - qarl 3y ago
        The pattern is pretty obvious, isn't it? You'd think they'd learn.
    - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
      And the ability of their haters to make every discussion about how bad man is bad.
      - qarl 3y ago
        Yes. Agreed. The two are very obviously very similar.

mullingitover 3y ago

I don't know if "Lots of black hats loathe my vehicle's manufacturer and want to do it harm, and potentially by proxy me," is as beneficial as you're making it out to be. > they'll work feverishly to find and yell about any and all of your flaws and weakness, for free. This is a very questionable assumption. I don't see why a black hat who manages to pwn Tesla is going to then turn around and responsibly report the vuln they're using instead of doing maximum damage to the brand, potentially endangering lives of drivers, or selling their 0-day to some other malicious actor.

taf2 3y ago
I’m definitely a Tesla fan.. considering a cyber truck but one concern I have which I think is similar to what your saying is I’m worried because it’s been demonstrated as bullet proof what if someone I drive by decides to test it out ?
- idiotsecant 3y ago
  The idea that the cyber truck is 'bylletproof' is laughable. 3mm of stainless sheet does not start defying physics when you sprinkle Tesla marketing on it. Low energy pistol rounds designed for minimal penetration might be stopped but I wouldn't bet your life on it
  - haliskerbas 3y ago
    Shhh they don’t have a marketing department, there is no marketing!!!! /s
  - kiba 3y ago
    I have seen video of it. It's 'bulletproof' for what they shot at it, which includes handgun, shotgun, and a tommy gun. I wouldn't rely on it as an armored vehicle. If I want extra protection, then I would spend money on uparmoring it.
    - dun44 3y ago

frosting1337 3y ago

Tesla has a decent bug bounty program - the haters get paid. Source: I'm a paid hater. :)

hutzlibu 3y ago

The downside is stronger, if your buisness modell depends on people not knowing your flaws. Like a promised full self driving, that cannot do full self driving, but rather has serious flaws, capable of killing people: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/elon-musk-and-tesla-ignored-autopilots-fatal-flaws-judge-says-evidence-shows/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/elon-musk-and-te...

FireBeyond 3y ago

There's a certain sense of martyrdom around Tesla. But I think that has nothing to do with this. Tesla has, for better or worse, one of the most "connected" vehicle systems. There are things I don't miss in my car, but I certainly like other things. That just makes it a bigger target. Attack surface and all that, more opportunities. It doesn't have to be about "the haters".