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Exactly. The sad reality is in any (mostly) closed system, say, the USA or even earth, there are resource limits and you might be able to do more good by treati
by buildbot 3y ago
Exactly. The sad reality is in any (mostly) closed system, say, the USA or even earth, there are resource limits and you might be able to do more good by treating 4 patients with more simple cancer's vs. 1 patient with a very complex cancer that requires 10 doctors, 20 scientists, and endless support staff working over months to create a personal gene therapy for you. It's difficult and sad, but as a sibling comment said, it's literally the Trolley problem. Until we live in a utopia with nearly limitless resources, then the problem still applies, in both the public and private sector. I'd rather have it be public too.
- TehCorwiz 3y agoYou’re assuming that the efforts don’t feed back into knowledge and treatment for other people when in reality it does. But even outside that extreme example people are regularly denied treatment for existing easily treated ailments.
- fragmede 3y agoThat assumes the 10 doctors and 20 scientists and support staff are fungible resources. Which they are not. Those 10 doctors have 10 different specialties and those scientists aren't going to suddenly become nurses that can administer the simple patient's therapies. Advances made in creating customized gene therapies will be used to help others, later.
- xkekjrktllss 3y agoYou're making an argument for a more organized society, not a less organized society. In your example, the solution is not letting 9 more people die but rather having a greater number of generalized doctors, in place of some specialized doctors if need be.
- fragmede 3y agomy point is more that the less organized society that we have which lets people choose their own destiny leads to one where we don't have the generalists to save the 9, so it's less of a trolley problem because of the difference in urgency.
- xkekjrktllss 3y agoYou are failing to make your point. What urgency are you talking about?
- fragmede 3y agoTrolley problem is to choice to flip a switch. If the switch to be flipped results in their deaths in 5 minutes is different than a decision that takes 10 years of advanced schooling to see the results.
- xkekjrktllss 3y agoThis is irrelevant. We either plan and fix the problem or we don't plan and don't fix the problem. That's it. There are no terms in which any proposal of yours even improves the results, so you have no point.
- fragmede 3y agoThat's unnecessarily combative. I'm not sure how we got here. Can you enlighten me as to what the problem is and why you think I'm fighting you on this?
- varelse 3y ago[dead]
- konschubert 3y agoThat’s why we need economic growth
- konschubert 3y agoTo the people downvoting: Would you elaborate why you think I’m wrong?