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> Us, and with us I mean us Linux users, trust 100% the software that we run on our machine, because we trust the open source community! Thus I don't care if an

> Us, and with us I mean us Linux users, trust 100% the software that we run on our machine, because we trust the open source community! Thus I don't care if any application may access the screen, because I only run trusted software. The problem is that this mindset is incompatible with widespread adoption. The "year of linux desktop" will never come if this continues. You may be fine with this, but many other people aren't.

wkat4242 3y ago
If the year of Linux on the desktop ever comes, we will all hate it because it'll be just like windows or macOS. Mainstream users don't want to be empowered. They want someone to hold their hand and make choices for them. After all, look at the one Linux on the desktop option that you can buy in any store near you. It's called ChromeOS and every decision in it is made to further Google's commercial interests. It's the least open ecosystem compared to macOS and Windows (at least those can still be used without a vendor account). There is nothing there that we want. Being a niche OS is a strength, not a weakness because we Linux fans are a niche. I agree though that 100% trusting FOSS is a fallacy. Besides the possibility of introducing malware to the repo, applications can also be exploited by malicious content like video files exploiting vulnerabilities in VLC.
- eternityforest 3y ago
  Passionate Linux fans are not representative of Linux users in general. Linux has a huge number of people who installed it on anything from grandma's old computer to a corporate server, who have exactly zero interest in any kind of tinkering with system services. We just want something free, that won't break in an auto-update, and has access to the ecosystem of things like PipeWire and DBus.
- robocat 3y ago
  > Mainstream users don't want to be empowered. They want someone to hold their hand and make choices for them. I think that is deeply untrue. They want to be able to change stuff, it just turns out to be hard. I bet there's a heap of things you want to change on your car and you haven't: because you are a mainstream user. I use Ubuntu because every time I've tried to change distro, I've been burnt. I've got as far as finding the lines of code I need to change in "Linux", but the next steps are not simple - especially maintenance over the years. Even if one has the technical skills necessary we may choose the consumer friendly version - and it isn't because we want our hands held. I'm currently using an iPhone - nasty bugs and other terrible compromises - but for the moment the upsides are beating the downsides. Sweeping negative stereotypes are seldomly useful.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > bet there's a heap of things you want to change on your car and you haven't: because you are a mainstream user No. I want it to turn on and go. The less involved my car is in my life, and I with its existence, the better.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > If the year of Linux on the desktop ever comes, we will all hate it because it'll be just like windows or macOS. This is exactly why I don't want that to happen. We're already much of the way there, though, and the trajectory is clear. That's why I'm looking into abandoning Linux in favor of BSD.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    I feel the same way and it is why I moved to FreeBSD as daily driver. Very happy with it in fact. I like it because there's much less corporate influence over it. And less need to constantly change how things work.

wkat4242 3y ago

If the year of Linux on the desktop ever comes, we will all hate it because it'll be just like windows or macOS. Mainstream users don't want to be empowered. They want someone to hold their hand and make choices for them. After all, look at the one Linux on the desktop option that you can buy in any store near you. It's called ChromeOS and every decision in it is made to further Google's commercial interests. It's the least open ecosystem compared to macOS and Windows (at least those can still be used without a vendor account). There is nothing there that we want. Being a niche OS is a strength, not a weakness because we Linux fans are a niche. I agree though that 100% trusting FOSS is a fallacy. Besides the possibility of introducing malware to the repo, applications can also be exploited by malicious content like video files exploiting vulnerabilities in VLC.

eternityforest 3y ago
Passionate Linux fans are not representative of Linux users in general. Linux has a huge number of people who installed it on anything from grandma's old computer to a corporate server, who have exactly zero interest in any kind of tinkering with system services. We just want something free, that won't break in an auto-update, and has access to the ecosystem of things like PipeWire and DBus.
robocat 3y ago
> Mainstream users don't want to be empowered. They want someone to hold their hand and make choices for them. I think that is deeply untrue. They want to be able to change stuff, it just turns out to be hard. I bet there's a heap of things you want to change on your car and you haven't: because you are a mainstream user. I use Ubuntu because every time I've tried to change distro, I've been burnt. I've got as far as finding the lines of code I need to change in "Linux", but the next steps are not simple - especially maintenance over the years. Even if one has the technical skills necessary we may choose the consumer friendly version - and it isn't because we want our hands held. I'm currently using an iPhone - nasty bugs and other terrible compromises - but for the moment the upsides are beating the downsides. Sweeping negative stereotypes are seldomly useful.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > bet there's a heap of things you want to change on your car and you haven't: because you are a mainstream user No. I want it to turn on and go. The less involved my car is in my life, and I with its existence, the better.
JohnFen 3y ago
> If the year of Linux on the desktop ever comes, we will all hate it because it'll be just like windows or macOS. This is exactly why I don't want that to happen. We're already much of the way there, though, and the trajectory is clear. That's why I'm looking into abandoning Linux in favor of BSD.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  I feel the same way and it is why I moved to FreeBSD as daily driver. Very happy with it in fact. I like it because there's much less corporate influence over it. And less need to constantly change how things work.